E30 Zone

Just weighing up my options for my rollcage. RollCentre and Custom Cages seem to be the two best options. I've seen a few of CC's cages but never dealt with RollCentre, so was wondering if anyone else here has.

Never heard of Rollcentre, and a Custom Cages cage was a bit pricy. I think I'll be going for a Wiechers cage - http://www.wiechers-sport.de/

Rollcentre as in Rollcentre racing should be pretty good. I've not brought a cage from them but have dealt with them before and there really helpful. Not that helps when your on your roof but......

PZero wrote:Never heard of Rollcentre, and a Custom Cages cage was a bit pricy. I think I'll be going for a Wiechers cage - http://www.wiechers-sport.de/

HUH?

I'm after something a bit more substantial than the wiechers examples.

what sort of price are rollcentre cages?

Not sure yet. Probably looking at around £2k fitted.

agent006 wrote:Not sure yet. Probably looking at around £2k fitted.

Unfortunately I dont have that sort of budget. The wiechers seems to be the best value cage for the money in its price range, compared to the safety devices and omp offerings.

I have just had a quote from both Rollcentre and Custom Cages for them to supply and instal a weld-in multi-point full triangulated cage

Rollcentre £1600
CC £1400

Both prices were + VAT.

Scoot1001 wrote:I have just had a quote from both Rollcentre and Custom Cages for them to supply and instal a weld-in multi-point full triangulated cage

Rollcentre £1600
CC £1400

Both prices were + VAT.

Are they approved by any governing bodies?

Both can be FIA/MSA approved if required.

Agent, for that sort of budget I'd def recommend giveing these guys a shout fora bespoke jobbie-

http://www.robinson-race-cars.co.uk/

did a mates Jetta cage thats on the site & its a fab job & although its a tiny job in comparison they did my harness bar in my golf & the welding was outstanding.

Nice guys too.

Oh joy, another option!!!!

Cheers for that, will check them out. I think what i'll end up doing is taking a day off an doing a big loop of Robinson's, Custom Cages, and Rollcentre to have a look and a chat with all of them.

I had a Rollcentre cage in my 205 race car. Was FISA and MSA approved. It also did the job when I hit the pitwall at Silverstone at about 80mph.

However, Rollcentre were awful to deal with. Calls back were slow and they made me pay well over market rate for missing hi-ten bolts that weren't supplied.

If you're after a cage now why not wait a month and go to the Autosport International Show in Jan at the NEC? All the big players are there and you can see the companies and their work first hand. (You'll also see what a grumpy bunch of people run Rollcentre ).

So far i've had reports like that of both RollCentre and CustomCages (except i've had more positive about rollcentre). Why are things never simple?

No point going to autosport for cages this year. No Custom Cages, no Safety Devices on the exhibitor list.

agent006 wrote:So far i've had reports like that of both RollCentre and CustomCages (except i've had more positive about rollcentre). Why are things never simple?

It's the way it is with both of these companies.

I've only had second-hand reports, but both have bumped the quoted price up for similar 'reasons'.

Not stripping the car enough & having to remove seam sealer/underseal/paint being a popular justification.

Custom Cages don't actually fit them do they? (They supply the cage to R&D for fitting afaik.)

I've seen cars from both and they've both done a superb job.

Nowhere near the prices quoted above tho.

I guess half the problem is getting them to quote without seeing the car. If more work needs doing to fit it, then more work needs doing; there's no getting round it.

If I had the available budget I'd go for Custom Cages every time. Seen a couple of them post (large) accident and they've held up well. Standard of workmanship is A1.

Custom Cages don't actually fit them do they? (They supply the cage to R&D for fitting afaik.)

R & D and Custom Cages are the same people, I think - they certainly share premises and some staff!

Kim

kimbo wrote:If I had the available budget I'd go for Custom Cages every time. Seen a couple of them post (large) accident and they've held up well. Standard of workmanship is A1.

Custom Cages don't actually fit them do they? (They supply the cage to R&D for fitting afaik.)

R & D and Custom Cages are the same people, I think - they certainly share premises and some staff!

Kim

Two separate bills afaik. (Probably just a liability thing.)

Agreed that they're great quality.

agent 006 wrote

No point going to autosport for cages this year. No Custom Cages, no Safety Devices on the exhibitor list.

Safetydevices BMW cages will be at Autosport on the Rallyschool.co.uk stand...never work on the list the organisers provide

Other option is OMP for 10 point multipoint in CrMo

be VERY careful about going for a weld in cage as going forward you have to prove fitted properly...also as its an E30 you are not likely to be doing International events so why does it have to be FIA...also suspect Wiechers is not MSA/RAC....for most E30s the Safetydevices and OMP cages will do the job...are listing on ebay from Automac Ltd

It has to be FIA as i don't want to be prevented from doing european hillclimb events at some point in the future because i haven't got an FIA cage. The price difference between FIA and non-FIA is trivial compared ot the installation costs anyway.

I can't buy an off the shelf item as i want some extra design done on areas where i feel the standard cages are inadequate. Safety devices are out as i want it UK made. Hence coming to the decision between RollCentre and CC (and Alex's suggestion from this thread).

Hi

If CC fit they provide a FIA certification

Jason

And the cost if they fit a cage -- if they make additions you need to be sure they fit in the regs of the Blue book...companies like Safetydevices and OMP have spent fortunes developing cages and working with the FIA and MSA

Safetydevices for example developed the first E30 multipoint cages with Prodrive and those cages were made in the UK...OMP make several FIA cages even there basic 6 point FE45 is FIA and the CrMo 10 point is as good a cage as you will get for the E30 and a fraction of the CC price after fitting...and then with a bolt in cage you can save money with doing some of the work

Cant believe for an E30 some people think they know more than people who make there living supplying cages and a manufacturer such as Safetydevices......anything is possible as a price...take a look at some of the E30s that are rallying with these cages!! But some people cant be told so I wont waste my breath any more

cabrio wrote:Cant believe for an E30 some people think they know more than people who make there living supplying cages and a manufacturer such as Safetydevices......anything is possible as a price...take a look at some of the E30s that are rallying with these cages!! But some people cant be told so I wont waste my breath any more

Well that's Safety Devices definately off the list.

All i'll say is get yourself along to some races and have a look at cages fitted by both Rollcentre and CC. Check the welds out, CC dosen't weld all the way round the tubes on top of the cage!!

I know one of the Kumho cars that had a crash this season ended up with the door bar through the gearbox tunnel, that was a CC cage.

I have a 11 point fully welded cage fitted to my car. It's an aweful lot of work and if done properly it won't come cheap!

i have a 6 point bolt in cage from saftey devices with harness bars cross over in the rear cross over door bars roof support etc

i like it for 1 track day a month it does m as i was never gonna be able to afford a custom cage and for a 318is i think its all i need i love the oversized tubing and the poder coated finish

imho thats all my track car needs cage wise

agreen - your cage is proven in accidents and drivers have walked away...if they cage is not proven to be damaged it can be removed and reused...it comes powder coated with all fitting etc...it is fully welded all the way round and is VERY strong in the correct places...I have know works cages that have been knocked back at scruitineering for welds not being all the way round and unless welded properly by a coded welder you can NEVER guarentee the welds....people who dont know what they are talking about should not try and scare people regards cages....a badly welded multipoint cage is more dangerous than no cage at all

See you at some track days agreen. ..and look forward to seeing agents cage when done

FIT FOR PURPOSE...and dont try to be too clever as you may look stupid and have an empty pocket...BUT it is your life so choice is always yours

cabrio wrote:look forward to seeing agents cage when done

Me too, at least it won't be supplied by a conceited and arrogant SD dealer. Good to see you're so desperate for business that all you can do is slag off the opposition. Lowest of the low.

agent006 wrote:...at least it won't be supplied by a conceited and arrogant SD dealer. Good to see you're so desperate for business that all you can do is slag off the opposition. Lowest of the low.

Laughable isn't it.

Can I recommend you give Oli Barnard a call: http://www.preptech.co.uk

He does my prepping/welding work for me (it's my car at the top of his webpage). He can supply and fit and isn't bound to any particular manufacturer. He works with BTCC and Formula teams daily. Also if you do decide to give SD another chance you can source through Oli and miss out any obstructions that believe they have exclusivity. Having said that he'll probably recommend a better alternative. Tell him I sent you.

Agent...dont really see your problem...and can you give examples of conceit and arrogance

You can buy SD cages from different dealers in the UK and some of those supply other cages also

Automac for example can supply Custom cages, OMP, Sparco and Safety Devices...so you always have options but to reitterate it about being fit for purpose...BUT regards cages watch this space if the MSA have their way and you could have problem if you then fit the cage (especially weld in cages) your self....good luck...see you in the paddock