More weightloss... another 6.2kg bites the dust!

[chaosss]

I relocated the washer jets to the panel just below the windscreen that hoses the wiper motors.

Then yuo don't have to bother disconnecting and reconnecting it each time.

[JimmyC]

put a spray bar onto your wipers

[slowlysideways]

yeah - i'll probably get a couple of spray bars from a Pug405

[Lloydie38]

Just got it weighed today on the local weigh bridge and E321 is now officially 1040kgs

To be honest I'm looking at my car and thinking 'How the fcuk does Taffy get to 975kgs with cage and a 17 1/2 stone driver - it's unbelievable (fair play Taffy )

I thick JCB mentioned some good tyres and some instruction as the way forward for faster laps and I think I agree.

I keep reminding myself that this is a track car on a budget but sometimes it's sooooooooooooo easy to get carried away

[slowlysideways]

Tell me about it Lloydie - i've spent a packet considering its spose to be on a budget! lol

fitted bonnet pins


fitted sunstrip in time for cage, ditched visors


black windscreen surroung too



Tonight carried on removing the tar from sound deadening


all clean and dry now, and wires tidied up


removed it from the tranmission tunnel and floor too



whats this? and can it be removed



cleaned my new seats tonight, and well happy with how they come out!







Lloydie - see here too for some more info on latest updates
http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... highlight=

[Lloydie38]

That bonnet with those pins looks the dogs mate - good job. Great pics - Where did you get the black sun strip from?

Also, have you tackled the removal of the sunroof track etc? I've found myself slightly nervous of making a complete c0ck up of it

I'll have a look at the other pics too

Cheers


Ian

[slowlysideways]

Cheers dude!

Regarding sunroof - have you seen whats left of it so far?

Rather than heating the silicone up and pulling it off, this won't happen as its tack welded on as I saw last night, so if you pull it too hard you'll pull the roof in.

I've bought an air nibbler instead, so i'm just going to cut the metal right back so there is nothing there - will keep this thread updated with pics!

PS: bought 30metres of 38.1mm and 2mm wall steel tubing (same spec as Safety Devices cages) for £45 (£9 per 6metre length)

Sounds alot better than spending £550+VAT new, hey!

[julianm40]

Thats your central locking solenoid for the fuel cap flap.

[slowlysideways]

thanks julian - that can go then, and the wires going to it!

glad about that because it looks messy with wires travelling up to the parcel shelf!

[Lloydie38]

Thats your central locking solenoid for the fuel cap flap.

Ahhhhhh that's what it is

Cheers

[slowlysideways]

get it out my man!

bought a holesaw today





can't wait for tomorrow!

[Lloydie38]

Fcuk me! With that Drill, you could be the dentist in the Film The Marathon Man with Dustin Hofman....

Film review quote ".....In the most memorable torture scene, Szell uses his dental instruments for sadistic oral surgery to torture and extract information from Babe. Szell is the essence of evil and disturbingly effective during the torture, repeatedly asking Babe the question:
Is it safe?....."

I hope you know the film or I'm going to sound a right sad film Geek

Cheers
Barry Norman

[slowlysideways]

*looks over head as he watches lloydies post fly by*

[Lloydie38]

I take that as a No then!!

[slowlysideways]

Correct hehe

I've decided not to replicate the cage on the previous page

Instead i'm replicating the 10 point SD cage, but with 2 additional bars

[nem]

Being a fairly new member/e30 owner I only just discovered this post and noted that my weight reduction attempt was quite similar.

E30 325i 4 door. Removed so far-
All tar from floor, and all 4 doors.
All carpets.
Heavy rubber crap from firewall.
Back seats.
Front seats replaced with lightweight fibreglass corbeau style.
Everything from the boot except the battery, might need that.
Headlight wipers/motors.

I am currently sizing up several other bits after reading the previous posts.
I have noticed that there is a lot of tar/insulation behind the dash that I cant get to. Also is there anything behind the roof lining (apart from the sunroof) sound deadening wise that could come out? I am not going too far as this is my daily driver. A couple of things I have noticed so far as a result of this weight removal is- 1 the car is sitting much higher than it used to. and 2 it has become a lot more tail happy, though not always a bad thing.

[agent006]

the car is sitting much higher than it used to. and 2 it has become a lot more tail happy, though not always a bad thing.

That's why i'm trying to be restrained with the amount of stuff i take out. If you rip out all the insualtion from the floor but leave the sunroof in then your centre of gravity goes up which is not a good thing. Also taking everything out of the rear affects the weight distribution and increases lift off oversteer. All my weight loss is on hold until i can get the sunroof runners removed and the carbon panel fitted in place of the metal one.

[nwmlarge]

have u removed the bonnect catch and cable?
obviously run next to nothing in the washer jet bottle to drop a k or two
central locking mechs?
re the zorst shields could u replace with radiator backing that u use indoors?

[Lloydie38]

Just removed the sunroof mechanism and sealed the sunroof in place. B4stard of a job and it looks untidy at the moment so need to tidy up / paint. Pics to follow when I get a moment. Weight now 1030kgs but the cage has to go in and that weighs 35kgs..

[professormatt]

the car is sitting much higher than it used to. and 2 it has become a lot more tail happy, though not always a bad thing.

That's why i'm trying to be restrained with the amount of stuff i take out. If you rip out all the insualtion from the floor but leave the sunroof in then your centre of gravity goes up which is not a good thing. Also taking everything out of the rear affects the weight distribution and increases lift off oversteer. All my weight loss is on hold until i can get the sunroof runners removed and the carbon panel fitted in place of the metal one.

you only get lift off oversteer in front wheel & 4x4 cars,not a problem in our rwd cars

[Brian28]

You're not trying hard enough, def lift off oversteer on a track, sometimes the only way to get turned into the corner

[professormatt]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! you have rewriten the rules of physics,or maybe they dont apply to you? what is your secret?

if your in a rwd car and the back end steps out,you come off the power to bring it back in,NOT STEPPING ON THE GAS!!!!!!!!!

[Jon_Bmw]

Chances are that these guys are telling the truth, they are all avid milek racers?

I don't see how its impossible to do it. The weight shifts off the rear of the car when you let go of the throttle and hence it probably goes light, and then induces lift off over steer.

My 2p

[nem]

Ok from my experience of caning several higher powered cars including my 4L high compression TVR chimaera, the beemer and others. If you are using power to slide the back end and you lift off your car will generally snap back into line or wherever your front wheels are pointed at. However if you are in say 2nd gear on max revs round a corner in the wet and you lift off severely enough you can almost acheive a form of compression lockup but I wouldnt call it lift off oversteer.

Also has anyone else noticed a large increase in bump steer since lightening their car??? or am i running too high tyre pressures?

[agent006]

However if you are in say 2nd gear on max revs round a corner in the wet and you lift off severely enough you can almost acheive a form of compression lockup but I wouldnt call it lift off oversteer.

It's more to do with the weight transfer from what i've felt with the E30. You lift off, and the weight moves to the front wheels. There's not really enough compression to slow the rears enough on the E30 engines.

I had some incidents a while back in the 325. Went into a corner too fast, lifted off, weight all went forwards, back end stepped out.

First time i stayed off the power and ended up fishtailing down the road. Second time i got on the power a bit to shift the weight backwards, and all was well.

I'm just calling it lift off oversteer because that's what happens.... you lift off and it oversteers. Same thing the 205 gti is famous for.

[professormatt]

I'm just calling it lift off oversteer because that's what happens.... you lift off and it oversteers. Same thing the 205 gti is famous for.

utter bollocks!!!!!!! i'v had a 205 gti and a supercharged 106 gti and it's a total diffrent ball game to rwd

you lift off during a fast corner in a fwd and it will oversteer only
PUTTING THE POWER BACK ON! will correct it

where as in a rwd when the car loses mechanical grip in a corner it will oversteer,COMING OFF THE POWER! will correct it

i will be at the nurburgring in the last week in september in my shitty 2dr 325i if you fancy putting your money where your mouth is

[agent006]

So what you're saying is RWD cars are immune to the basic principals of weight transfer then??

[JoeE30]

Profmat you indeed are talking some bollocks....

It is one of the most used tech's to induce a drift.....

and used by drifters in every transsion they do (when it goes from drifting to the right to drifting to the left by using the weight of the car off throttle) Not only have i done it and got a drift licence from it i have also been in with two of the top gp guys and had it demonstrated to me ....

[DRIFTBOY]

Indeed.
I'm no drift expert but down one of my favourite country roads in my old Capri 2.8i, if I entered a corner fast enough to get a little bit of understeer, lifting the throttle would help the front tyres grip and unsettle the rear, neatly bringing the back end round. Then getting back on the throttle gently would pull it through the corner neatly. A great feeling!

[steerfromtherear]

Love how much this has been raped but it is in the track day section so...

Prof Matt don't spout it if you don't know what you are chatting about. Lift off oversteer is entirely possible in fwd rwd and 4wd cars. It has nothing to do with what wheels are driven, and what you have to do to correct oversteer once it has happened.

It is quite simply, as you lift off the power quickly whilst turning in, at probably a fair old speed for the corner, the weight transfers over the front of the car, making the back end light.
This in turn can make the car oversteer.

The only difference then, with regards to which type of drive your car has, is how you correct/hold it depending on the look you are going for

The 106 gti rocks for this as does the 205, the puma, and an Alfa 145 ti. All fwd cars yes but the lively lift off is down to chassis design as opposed to the driven wheels.

[professormatt]

you guys wouldn't know your arse from your elbow

i told my mate's on the MLR fourm about this thread. laugh? they nearly did!

i drive a 600bhp r34 gt-r v spec skyline,600bhp 525 and a 440bhp 535
as well as 325 and a transit van

i know what lift off over steer is and i sure as hell dont get it in any of it in the above..........

[DRIFTBOY]

I don't thnk you have enterd a corner fast enough in a rear wheel drive car fast enough then, because it does happen!

[professormatt]

actualy im going be at a few track days in my e30 track car soon

i will personaly give my car away to the person who can make it oversteer by lifting off the throttle

the forefit?

im taking your car if you cant

think before you take me up on this....

[DRIFTBOY]

I'll lift off over steer it right into to the armco if you like!

[steerfromtherear]

Professor Matt, do you actually drift cars? No? I doubt it.

Why don't you ask this question to a drifter as opposed to your mates on another forum!!!

Sign up on driftworks.com, trampdrift.com, driftmidz.co.uk, etc and ask someone who actually uses lift off oversteer in the rwd cars in competition. I am sure a competetive drifter will quite happily take your car from you.