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what is the standard 0-60 on both of these cars and as standard 4 dr's (not 2dr or coupe) what would be faster round a track? allso does the e36 coupe way heavyer than the e36 4dr?

and now final question projected 0-60 of a 325i e36 4dr stripped to the bone with perspex door windows, and drilled where it can be etc all sound crap removed! as i am after an m car i want a 4dr turd to kain round a track! allso do e34 bbs's go on e36's ok?

this is a E30 FORUM NOT DIRTY SIX!

Both standard I would guess it would be very close round the track, but I'd put my money on the E36.

An E36 would piss the E30 0-60.

As for the wheels offsets are massively different.

e30bmlover - Jealous that E36s don't rot as much?

e30bmlover wrote:this is a E30 FORUM NOT DIRTY SIX!

And this is Other BMW chat

[quote="maxfield"]An E36 would **** the E30 0-60. quote]

I have to dissagree with you, the e36 may have 20bhp more but it also weighs more, if anything it will be very close.

I have an e36 323i saloon (170bhp 2.5) and that is slower than my e30 325i but not by a huge amount.

bss325i wrote:

maxfield wrote:An E36 would **** the E30 0-60. quote]

I have to dissagree with you, the e36 may have 20bhp more but it also weighs more, if anything it will be very close.

I have an e36 323i saloon (170bhp 2.5) and that is slower than my e30 325i but not by a huge amount.

The 323i is a bit of an unfair comparison as its strangled by the 2 litre throttle body for German insurance reasons. A standard E36 325i did 0-60 in 7.8 seconds but most are 15 years old now. A 328i is quicker still (saloons are dirt cheap) but the 325i lump is the more robust engine.

if standard is 7.8 what about stripped and chipped with stainless and filter etc? with that spec would a 6.5 be possible? cheap to build and it would be nearly as fast as e30 m3!

A decent remap should see 200bhp. Any other money would be better spent on a 328i. 193bhp as standard that can easily be turned into 215-220bhp with a few 325i bits. You can pick up decent saloons from £1500.

The dirty six should be the same or quicker on the circuit due to better handling from a more advanced chassis and some extra valves. Weight might blunt this advantage on really tight tracks. This comparison is bunk though.

The E36 is better value purchase as a road car but ruinated by two things:

1. E.C.A.*
2. Not being an E30


* Endemic Charver Abuse

bss325i wrote:

maxfield wrote:An E36 would **** the E30 0-60. quote]

I have to dissagree with you, the e36 may have 20bhp more but it also weighs more, if anything it will be very close.

I have an e36 323i saloon (170bhp 2.5) and that is slower than my e30 325i but not by a huge amount.

Dont wana P*ss on your chips mate but an e36 325i would own an e30 325i in a race, Straight line for definate and i dont think there would be to much difference with some bends thrown into it.

E36's are heavier and around the track they do seem to be faster (obviously drivers are different), basically I've always had the veiw:

E30's lighter, slower, better balanced chassis.

E36's heavier, faster, harder chassis to work with.

In all fairness the e36 325 does have more power and torque, but they do tend to wallow about a bit. But once trimmed down, with a few mods they are a great track day car.

The 328 is a strangle engine, better breathing (325 intake manifold) and a BBTB as well as an induction kit, quality remap and a good exhaust and your going to have far more fun than the 325. However, they tend to be more expensive to buy.

Its all horses for course really.

I have an E36 328 with the inlet mods, coilovers and it's part stripped. It now weighs in at 1277 kgs with a full tank (about the same as an E30 M3) and it is absolutely great to drive on the track. I'm still learning the car and it shows having reviewed my video of Cadwell last week - the car has sooooo much more to give.

The E36 is a much better balanced car - better weight distribution for a start and the engine is farther back over the front axle. It's a couple of seconds quicker to 100 mph. The E36 makes a very good track car because it's so forgiving of cock ups.

maxfield wrote:e30bmlover - Jealous that E36s don't rot as much?

i dont care max... mine will get sorted... then i can take the pi$s out of your cars future problems.... i know mine will be sorted properly... im going to @ucking town on her.

e36boy wrote:

e30bmlover wrote:this is a E30 FORUM NOT DIRTY SIX!

And this is Other BMW chat

point taken

e30bmlover wrote:

maxfield wrote:e30bmlover - Jealous that E36s don't rot as much?

i dont care max... mine will get sorted... then i can take the pi$s out of your cars future problems.... i know mine will be sorted properly... im going to @ucking town on her.

Take the piss out of my car all you like, water off a ducks back to me. My car is run as a daily hack. I do have something special in the pipeline over the next year on another car though... And it will include 6 cylinders

e36boy wrote:

bss325i wrote:

maxfield wrote:An E36 would **** the E30 0-60. quote]

I have to dissagree with you, the e36 may have 20bhp more but it also weighs more, if anything it will be very close.

I have an e36 323i saloon (170bhp 2.5) and that is slower than my e30 325i but not by a huge amount.

Dont wana P*ss on your chips mate but an e36 325i would own an e30 325i in a race, Straight line for definate and i dont think there would be to much difference with some bends thrown into it.

Sorry but i have to dissagree, an e36 325 would not 'own' a an e30 325, it would be close but no great difference in a staight line. As i said my 323i isn't that much slower than my sport.
Another comparison to throw i've experienced was with my old e46 330ci convertible, a car with 60bhp more but over 400kg more, it felt slower than my sport.
I think a lot of peoples comparisions are based on miley, down on power e30 325's.

bss325i wrote:

e36boy wrote:

bss325i wrote: Dont wana P*ss on your chips mate but an e36 325i would own an e30 325i in a race, Straight line for definate and i dont think there would be to much difference with some bends thrown into it.

Sorry but i have to dissagree, an e36 325 would not 'own' a an e30 325, it would be close but no great difference in a staight line. As i said my 323i isn't that much slower than my sport.
Another comparison to throw i've experienced was with my old e46 330ci convertible, a car with 60bhp more but over 400kg more, it felt slower than my sport.
I think a lot of peoples comparisions are based on miley, down on power e30 325's.

I have to disagree, Ive owned a sport and driven e36 325i's, Also i think 323's are quite slow. Ive also driven e46 330ci's and they are like shit of a shovel..............I dont think any sport would get near a 330ci.
People seem to think e30 325i sports are super quick but in reality they have trouble staying with a modern day warm hatch let alone a 320d.

e36boy wrote:

bss325i wrote:

e36boy wrote: Sorry but i have to dissagree, an e36 325 would not 'own' a an e30 325, it would be close but no great difference in a staight line. As i said my 323i isn't that much slower than my sport.
Another comparison to throw i've experienced was with my old e46 330ci convertible, a car with 60bhp more but over 400kg more, it felt slower than my sport.
I think a lot of peoples comparisions are based on miley, down on power e30 325's.

I have to disagree, Ive owned a sport and driven e36 325i's, Also i think 323's are quite slow. Ive also driven e46 330ci's and they are like shit of a shovel..............I dont think any sport would get near a 330ci.
People seem to think e30 325i sports are super quick but in reality they have trouble staying with a modern day warm hatch let alone a 320d.

Like i said most peoples experiences with E30 325is are usually worn out heaps, mine is in perfect condition with very low milage. I've made the direct comparison between my 330ci covertible and my sport so i KNOW the differences between the two, to say i was underwhemed buy the 330 was an understatement.
Its all about power to weight ratio and an e30 is a lot lighter than an e46.

bss325i wrote:

e36boy wrote:

bss325i wrote:

I have to disagree, Ive owned a sport and driven e36 325i's, Also i think 323's are quite slow. Ive also driven e46 330ci's and they are like shit of a shovel..............I dont think any sport would get near a 330ci.
People seem to think e30 325i sports are super quick but in reality they have trouble staying with a modern day warm hatch let alone a 320d.

Like i said most peoples experiences with E30 325is are usually worn out heaps, mine is in perfect condition with very low milage. I've made the direct comparison between my 330ci covertible and my sport so i KNOW the differences between the two, to say i was underwhemed but the 330 was an understatement.
Its all about power to weight ratio and an e30 is a lot lighter than an e46.

Mine wasnt a bad one either.

e36boy wrote:

bss325i wrote:

e36boy wrote: Like i said most peoples experiences with E30 325is are usually worn out heaps, mine is in perfect condition with very low milage. I've made the direct comparison between my 330ci covertible and my sport so i KNOW the differences between the two, to say i was underwhemed but the 330 was an understatement.
Its all about power to weight ratio and an e30 is a lot lighter than an e46.

Mine wasnt a bad one either.

Fair enough but you have to agree most are knackered now. I'm willing to put my sport up against an e36 325i in equivilant condition at the pod.

I;ve found that low end performance is poor, but at motorway speeds a 325i does ok against things like boggo boxter & 330ci.

Don't do the E36, they weigh tooooo much!

I have a 318IS E36 and it's bo ocks compared to the 318IS E30!!

The e30 is a more rewarding drive!

Bss - I agree with most of your points but I personally ran in my E46 330Ci from new and it was an order of magnitude faster than any E30 I've driven on the road (mostly 325s, the odd M3). It was significantly quicker than my E36 328 touring and that car was surprisingly peppy (well run in at 65k miles).

The E46 was deceptive but at about 9k miles it got a new lease of life. Optimax it and you're looking at 80% of an E46 M3s real world perforance for 65% of the cost.

If you really want something cheap that will do 140mph, buy the E36 325i. The E30 will be more fun (and better looking by a mile) but slower most of the time, even if it feels busier.

I never seen an e30 like for like be faster around the track than an e36.

The e30 M3's, whilst a cracking car are always left behind by e36 M3's, as have the 325's compared to the e36 325's. I am well aware that the driver does play a huge part, but thats just what I have seen.

What can I say.... The world is going forward with technology and more speed cameras on the road!
The same is it with BMW so maybe take this as a point.....
If you ask Ferrari what is the best car they have ever made? They will say that the car havent been made yet...
Frankly speaking, the E30 looks much more cooler than the E36 but an E36 is a better car!

I joined this forum at the beginning of the year because I was undecided between a E30 or E36 trackcar. People on this forum were more E30 biased and the E36coupe forum members were more E36 biased - not surprising really!

From all the opinions made on both forums, I would summarise the views as follows:

The E30 is cheaper to get into a good track ready state and cheaper to maintain. The E36 will cost more to prepare to the same state, and to maintain. However, if prepared well it will be a much better weapon than the E30.

I eventually chose an E36 328 Sport because the E30's are all, on average, ten years older and cost marginally less. I didn't fancy a car (and engine) that is ten years older that is prone to rust in various areas.

Now, I've never driven or even ridden in an E30 trackcar but the 328 with weight reduction, inlet manifold and induction mods and a set of GAZ GHA suspension is a killer on the track. It is very swift and handles wonderfully. The weight is now 1275 kgs with a full tank, and assuming the power is 220 bhp (well proven by countless dyno graphs of other cars with the same mods) the bhp/ton is over 172. That is just about exactly the same as the E30 M3 however with the extra low down torque of the 328, I would say the 328 would be faster.

tlee wrote:I joined this forum at the beginning of the year because I was undecided between a E30 or E36 trackcar. People on this forum were more E30 biased and the E36coupe forum members were more E36 biased - not surprising really!

From all the opinions made on both forums, I would summarise the views as follows:

The E30 is cheaper to get into a good track ready state and cheaper to maintain. The E36 will cost more to prepare to the same state, and to maintain. However, if prepared well it will be a much better weapon than the E30.

I eventually chose an E36 328 Sport because the E30's are all, on average, ten years older and cost marginally less. I didn't fancy a car (and engine) that is ten years older that is prone to rust in various areas.

Now, I've never driven or even ridden in an E30 trackcar but the 328 with weight reduction, inlet manifold and induction mods and a set of GAZ GHA suspension is a killer on the track. It is very swift and handles wonderfully. The weight is now 1275 kgs with a full tank, and assuming the power is 220 bhp (well proven by countless dyno graphs of other cars with the same mods) the bhp/ton is over 172. That is just about exactly the same as the E30 M3 however with the extra low down torque of the 328, I would say the 328 would be faster.

Good chouice you made mate...........They're a real weapon in standard form, so id imagine that its awesome after all the mods.

It's THIS awesome lol

^^ the sound of the Gruppe M?

No. The car has the full Alpina527 treatment plus a Dave F.

Ahh Dave F, does sound like the gruppe m filter in the vid.