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Nice! Bet they go well?

Andy325i wrote:Nice! Bet they go well?

They do, very quick for an oil burner from 2009. I understand they are also very reliable.

thats mega cheap

Simon13 wrote:thats mega cheap

I was thinking the same, Bi-Turbos usually are up for alot more. We have been looking for a D3 Touring for about 8 months now.

A Bi-Turbo would be my choice but at the moment they are out of budget.

Rtaylor2208 wrote:

Simon13 wrote:thats mega cheap

I was thinking the same, Bi-Turbos usually are up for alot more. We have been looking for a D3 Touring for about 8 months now.

A Bi-Turbo would be my choice but at the moment they are out of budget.

Here you go, manual and all !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-ALPINA-2- ... 2771145%26

i'd like a mono turbo wagon but only in montego blue.

Do these have the same timing chain problems as the 120d 320 +123d ?

probably as its the same engine, alpina didn't really tune it much from standard iirc

I can't say i've seen much on the register forum about any problems and there are alot on there with D3's

pacerpete wrote:

Rtaylor2208 wrote:

Simon13 wrote:thats mega cheap

I was thinking the same, Bi-Turbos usually are up for alot more. We have been looking for a D3 Touring for about 8 months now.

A Bi-Turbo would be my choice but at the moment they are out of budget.

Here you go, manual and all !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-ALPINA-2- ... 2771145%26

Not keen on one with that sort of mileage, especially with the potential DPF huge bill. Does look nice though and in a good colour.

if the car has done long journey ie motorway work the DPF lasts fine. Its short trips that f**ks them.

My father in law had an e90 330d manual from new and covered 160,000 in it and the DPF was fine. Hes just sold it

The D3s do nothing for me especially the single turbo. It would have to be a B3 for me.

All this bi turbo talk what about all the
Lag
Horrendous fuel economy
Packaging of the intercooler etc

Doesn't have the response of a Naturally Aspirated M Power ?

You do realise the bi-turbo D3 is a diesel? So is of no comparson to a naturally aspirated car.

Have you driven a turbo charged car in the last 10 years. Lag is not the issue it used to be in older cars.

You are actually so stupid pony that it pains me

pony wrote:All this bi turbo talk what about all the
Lag
Horrendous fuel economy
Packaging of the intercooler etc

Doesn't have the response of a Naturally Aspirated M Power ?

You really are stupid aren't you?!

Lag? You obviously haven't driven any modern turbo cars if any turbo cars have you?

There is virtually no lag on an E9x 335i and even an E34 B10 Bi turbo has minimal lag and thats over 20 years old!

Horrendous fuel economy? What do you think one of the main reasons BMW are moving to turbo power for every engine they make including M power?

For better economy! The F10 M5 is over 25% more fuel efficient than the previous E6x M5.

And lastly, packaging of the intercooler? That's just a retarded reason to come up with.

As for responsiveness, an N54 twin turbo six cylinder engine from the early E9x 335i makes peak torque of 295 lbft from 1400 rpm all the way to 5000 rpm! (way more than an S54 and for a wider rev range!)

They are VERY responsive.

pnd wrote:Do these have the same timing chain problems as the 120d 320 +123d ?

The Bi- turbo is based on the 123d's N47 engine so yes they can suffer the same problem

The single turbo D3 is based on the M47 engine but that has its own problems.

What issues does the N54 have?

owning an n54 135i I can say alot of issues hahaha

When it's running it's blisteringly quick with zero lag, anyone who's ever driven one will tell you it's like driving N/A. However wastegates are prone to rattling which necessitates a complete turbo swap to fix, also water pump and thermostat can give up without warning and it eats tyres...

SHeap wrote:owning an n54 135i I can say alot of issues hahaha

When it's running it's blisteringly quick with zero lag, anyone who's ever driven one will tell you it's like driving N/A. However wastegates are prone to rattling which necessitates a complete turbo swap to fix, also water pump and thermostat can give up without warning and it eats tyres...

Yep, the above issues plus injectors and high pressure fuel pumps.

bss325i wrote:

pony wrote:All this bi turbo talk what about all the
Lag
Horrendous fuel economy
Packaging of the intercooler etc

Doesn't have the response of a Naturally Aspirated M Power ?

You really are stupid aren't you?!

Lag? You obviously haven't driven any modern turbo cars if any turbo cars have you?

There is virtually no lag on an E9x 335i and even an E34 B10 Bi turbo has minimal lag and thats over 20 years old!

Horrendous fuel economy? What do you think one of the main reasons BMW are moving to turbo power for every engine they make including M power?

For better economy! The F10 M5 is over 25% more fuel efficient than the previous E6x M5.

And lastly, packaging of the intercooler? That's just a retarded reason to come up with.

As for responsiveness, an N54 twin turbo six cylinder engine from the early E9x 335i makes peak torque of 295 lbft from 1400 rpm all the way to 5000 rpm! (way more than an S54 and for a wider rev range!)

They are VERY responsive.

Ah, be nice to him, you know he's special

bss325i wrote:

pony wrote:All this bi turbo talk what about all the
Lag
Horrendous fuel economy
Packaging of the intercooler etc

Doesn't have the response of a Naturally Aspirated M Power ?

You really are stupid aren't you?!

Lag? You obviously haven't driven any modern turbo cars if any turbo cars have you?

There is virtually no lag on an E9x 335i and even an E34 B10 Bi turbo has minimal lag and thats over 20 years old!

Horrendous fuel economy? What do you think one of the main reasons BMW are moving to turbo power for every engine they make including M power?

For better economy! The F10 M5 is over 25% more fuel efficient than the previous E6x M5.

And lastly, packaging of the intercooler? That's just a retarded reason to come up with.

As for responsiveness, an N54 twin turbo six cylinder engine from the early E9x 335i makes peak torque of 295 lbft from 1400 rpm all the way to 5000 rpm! (way more than an S54 and for a wider rev range!)

They are VERY responsive.

Errr .... I admit I haven't driven hardly any modern turbo petrol / diesel cars but I have driven a diesel not sure whether the 118d was turbo or not ?
But this hardly makes me stupid and is pretty presumptuous on yours and other parts.

I was merely recalling reading an interview with former BMW M boss Gerhard Riechter in 2000 about why the M engines chose M Power over turbo power. This interview is probably on the net somewhere and I was just merely recalling and questioning whether the issues the former BMW M mentioned eg lag, fuel economy etc were issues or not with these particular vehicles in question.
We aren't all know it all with cars

pony wrote: Errr .... I admit I haven't driven hardly any modern turbo petrol / diesel cars but I have driven a diesel not sure whether the 118d was turbo or not ?
But this hardly makes me stupid and is pretty presumptuous on yours and other parts.

It makes you stupid for making such bold statements with out any experience.

pony wrote:I was merely recalling reading an interview with former BMW M boss Gerhard Riechter in 2000 about why the M engines chose M Power over turbo power. This interview is probably on the net somewhere and I was just merely recalling and questioning whether the issues the former BMW M mentioned eg lag, fuel economy etc were issues or not with these particular vehicles in question.

That was 13 years ago and things have moved on just a bit since then. I f you read any of the more recent interviews with M engineers, you will find they quotes about having been able to engineer turbo cars to feel like high revving N/A cars.
And its true, they do!

pony wrote:We aren't all know it all with cars

You don't to be a "know it all" with cars to know that turbo technology have moved on considerably in the last 20 years.

Instead of regurgitating stuff you've read off the web or in magazines, go out and get some real life experience.

pony wrote:I was merely recalling reading an interview with former BMW M boss Gerhard Riechter in 2000 about why the M engines chose M Power over turbo power.

Stop using the term M power, it makes you look even more stupid. There is no magical thing called M power

^^^^ I mean high revving NA engines u t-w-a-t

No you mean ///M power innit bruv as that's what you wrote...

bss325i wrote:You really are stupid aren't you?!

thanks for confirming my suspicions baz

I had a test drive in one of these when I was looking for my daily driver. It really does have bags of useable power and the Alpina wheels suit the E92 shape really well.

Ended up getting a 330i M Sport Coupe with the N53 engine though.

I don't do enough miles to justify a diesel and it was loads cheaper, a fair bit quicker (although needs to be worked a lot harder) and the fuel consumption is only marginally worse in mixed driving. The injectors and coil packs were swapped under recall because of a known issue, otherwise it's been fine. Even the road tax is only £25 a year more than the D3

Also, although you'd pay a premium for the D3 over an M Sport the ones supplied in this country are generally fairly low spec. This one is based on an SE not an M Sport so doesn't have the Aero Bodywork which looks much better in the flesh. It also doesn't even have climate control, just twirly knob air con which is pretty poor for a pricy motor like this, and I'd bet it doesn't have cruise, steering wheel gearshift or DAB like it says in the ad either.

its switch tronic mate so its got the buttons on the back of the steering wheel for manual mode as such

Ah - I thought the E92 autos all had paddle shifters - looks like it's something you need to specify.

e30topless wrote:

bss325i wrote:You really are stupid aren't you?!

thanks for confirming my suspicions baz

Haha that one line from Barry made me smile! Merry christmas all!