e36 touring vs e46 touring

[bss325i]

I think you'll find my views are also based on fact I didn't just wake up one day a decide e46 were poorly built its based on things I've seen with my own eyes.

What fact? Most of what you have said is nonsense.

I've witnessed a 2 cracked subframes/floor pans

And that makes it a very common poblem?! I've seen about 10-15 cars effected and that still doesn't make it a common problem.

various electrical faults and shabby interiors, the leather used in e46's is also of poor quality I've seen e46's with less than 50k on the clock with more wear on the leather than my 20 year old 170k e30 had all fact nothing made up here.

All BMW's suffer from various electrical problems, E36's included!

As for interiors, there are two types of leather used in E46's and E36's for that matter and they are both the same!

Nappa or Montana.

Also, im sure an "interior expert" like you will know that a lot of how leather wears is down to how it is looked after, how fat/big the people are that have sat in the car and how the car is used.

My old E46 328Ci with saffron (a light colour) nappa leather showed only average wear to the drivers seat with 220k on it.

Your 5 minutes fitting trim kits to new BMW's (if you even did that!) is not enough to have a valid opinion on which had a better interior quality out of an E36 or E46.

End of!

BTW, which BMW dealer did you work for, i'm sure i asked you before and got no answer?

[Andyboy]

BTW, which BMW dealer did you work for, i'm sure i asked you before and got no answer?

Stratnercooper BMW in Coverham Upon Thames on the Wold.

[MattTheHat325]

Wow this is some debate! I've got a 36 sport hearse and I love it, but trying not to be biased! I've driven an e46 328i saloon and a 320i 2.2 coupe and both were lovely tight smooth drives. Never experienced a 4 banging BMW so can't really comment on the smaller engines.

My advice would be to set your budget, stick to it, and just go for the tidiest, lowest mileage, most comprehensively serviced example you can find within it, be it e36 or e46.

My e36 interior is nice and tight, but the sound deadening keeps falling down from under the glove box and the interior boot side panel trims are fubared. Aside from that it's comfy and squeak/rattle free (99 T)

[bss325i]

For the record, i'm not suggesting for one minute that E36's are poorly built shit boxes or anything like that. I'm just squashing some bullshit that E46's are poorer quality over all.

E36's are great cars overall and have stood the test of time well. A well maintained one is a good reliable car with even the M43/44 4 pots being being ok if you are on a budget.

[e30topless]

Once Pac has owned an E46 Barry, they will suddenly be a much better car than any E36 !!

[shedrool83]

I drive an e36 323 sports touring with 163k on it as a daily.
Its one of the best cars for under 2k i have owned.

The only e46 i have driving was a mates 325 and he never looked after that so not fair to compare my experiance by that.

If you get a good one of either i doubt you'll be dissappointed.

[bss325i]

If you get a good one of either i doubt you'll be dissappointed.

THIS!

[Dezzy]

pac1982 doing what he does best, I see......


Will he ever learn?!

[pac1982]

pac1982 doing what he does best, I see......


Will he ever learn?!

I am learning all the time dezzy and fast becoming self aware, just have to make sure I ignore the data coming from thick tyre fitting types such as your self.

[pac1982]

Your 5 minutes fitting trim kits to new BMW's (if you even did that!) is not enough to have a valid opinion on which had a better interior quality out of an E36 or E46.

End of!

BTW, which BMW dealer did you work for, i'm sure i asked you before and got no answer?

Yes it was the trim kits I fitted to the newer cars as they have a factory finish but also did custom trims on older cars and repairs as well, in fact a lot of the work I did for BMW was repairs to damaged leather on the used cars.

Most of my dealing with BMW were with Sytner Leicester & Nottingham but also did work all over the UK for both private and licensed BMW dealerships

Anyone can have a view on a car try telling the likes of many popular TV & magazine car reviewers that there views are not valid because they have never completely stripped down and rebuilt every last model of car they express there opinions on, think you’ll soon be told to jog on.

Just for the record I had completely stripped down and rebuilt my e30, had the engine out the dash out, windows out, rebuilt the suspension and bushes various bits of body work, does that quality me as an E30 expert? Because I have to admit after doing all that I certainly don’t feel like an expert in the field but would still tell people about my experiences and knowledge that I have gained on the subject.

Once Pac has owned an E46 Barry, they will suddenly be a much better car than any E36 !!

That’s not a fair comment I have always disliked the E46 for reasons mentioned above and still to this day maintain that for me the E30 is the best 3 series BMW ever built even if I do drive an E36 these days.

[e30topless]

check out this dirty six tourer, 20k from new, this will get ya moist !

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-3-SERIES- ... 33704a6225

[capri_rob]

Thats lovely - I'd rather have that than paying the same money for a 100k E46 that 4 or 5 years newer

[danryan]

lovely one that! im always supprised when these come up for sale with such few miles on the clock

[bss325i]

Your 5 minutes fitting trim kits to new BMW's (if you even did that!) is not enough to have a valid opinion on which had a better interior quality out of an E36 or E46.

End of!

BTW, which BMW dealer did you work for, i'm sure i asked you before and got no answer?

Yes it was the trim kits I fitted to the newer cars as they have a factory finish but also did custom trims on older cars and repairs as well, in fact a lot of the work I did for BMW was repairs to damaged leather on the used cars.

So you only have experience of newer E46's, not one that have aged and done some mileage?

Most of my dealing with BMW were with Sytner Leicester & Nottingham but also did work all over the UK for both private and licensed BMW dealerships

So you never actually worked for a BMW dealer, just a sub contractor?

Anyone can have a view on a car try telling the likes of many popular TV & magazine car reviewers that there views are not valid because they have never completely stripped down and rebuilt every last model of car they express there opinions on, think you’ll soon be told to jog on.

A lot of what you read or see on TV by these so called reviewers can be crap and they can have their views but on the flip side what you have to remember is that some of their research comes from people that actually have experience of the product on a technical level, people like me! So it would be quiet the opposite to being told to "jog on"!

Just for the record I had completely stripped down and rebuilt my e30, had the engine out the dash out, windows out, rebuilt the suspension and bushes various bits of body work, does that quality me as an E30 expert? Because I have to admit after doing all that I certainly don’t feel like an expert in the field but would still tell people about my experiences and knowledge that I have gained on the subject.

Stop getting hung up on the whole "stripped the car down so i'm an expert" thing. I asked if you had completely stripped an E46 interior as you seemed to be soooo adamant that the E46 interior is so poor in comparison to an E46 that you must have go quite involved in one to have a valid reason for saying so.

[pac1982]

Your 5 minutes fitting trim kits to new BMW's (if you even did that!) is not enough to have a valid opinion on which had a better interior quality out of an E36 or E46.

End of!

BTW, which BMW dealer did you work for, i'm sure i asked you before and got no answer?

Yes it was the trim kits I fitted to the newer cars as they have a factory finish but also did custom trims on older cars and repairs as well, in fact a lot of the work I did for BMW was repairs to damaged leather on the used cars.

So you only have experience of newer E46's, not one that have aged and done some mileage?

Most of my dealing with BMW were with Sytner Leicester & Nottingham but also did work all over the UK for both private and licensed BMW dealerships

So you never actually worked for a BMW dealer, just a sub contractor?

Anyone can have a view on a car try telling the likes of many popular TV & magazine car reviewers that there views are not valid because they have never completely stripped down and rebuilt every last model of car they express there opinions on, think you’ll soon be told to jog on.

A lot of what you read or see on TV by these so called reviewers can be crap and they can have their views but on the flip side what you have to remember is that some of their research comes from people that actually have experience of the product on a technical level, people like me! So it would be quiet the opposite to being told to "jog on"!

Just for the record I had completely stripped down and rebuilt my e30, had the engine out the dash out, windows out, rebuilt the suspension and bushes various bits of body work, does that quality me as an E30 expert? Because I have to admit after doing all that I certainly don’t feel like an expert in the field but would still tell people about my experiences and knowledge that I have gained on the subject.

Stop getting hung up on the whole "stripped the car down so i'm an expert" thing. I asked if you had completely stripped an E46 interior as you seemed to be soooo adamant that the E46 interior is so poor in comparison to an E46 that you must have go quite involved in one to have a valid reason for saying so.

I think adamant is a strong word it's simply my preference and to be fair I probably only repaired a lot more e46 seats and door cards due to them being more expensive cars and people were willing to spend the money on them.

Yes I was sub contracted to BMW don't recall saying I was employed by them directly

Anyway why do you want to know all this I feel quite proud that you find my life so interesting

[ANDY325TOURING]

E36 touring, what do those metal wedge things behind your feet (if seated) do?

They are bizzare?

[pac1982]

You mean the triangle things in the back? I've never used them but have a feeling it may be something to do with the load cover or the dog guard?

I'm sure BSS will know he knows everything

[bss325i]

I think adamant is a strong word it's simply my preference and to be fair I probably only repaired a lot more e46 seats and door cards due to them being more expensive cars and people were willing to spend the money on them.

Adamant is a very apt word when you come out with lines like "the E36 quality is better overall than an E46"

Yes I was sub contracted to BMW don't recall saying I was employed by them directly

Without trawling your posts i know you have said in the past you worked for BMW which kind of implies you worked for a dealer, not did work for a dealer.

Anyway why do you want to know all this I feel quite proud that you find my life so interesting

Not interested in your life at all, just want to know what experience qualifies to make these remarks.

[lamby]

i,ve had both(still got the e46)both 318 although e46 is a 1.9 both high mileage 170k up,and the 46 is better built apart from front wings.seats are better,both had leather,door trims stay on e46,and they drive better.1500 will get a good 46 with leather,a/c standard,etc.

[darkchild]

Yes I was sub contracted to BMW don't recall saying I was employed by them directly

Without trawling your posts i know you have said in the past you worked for BMW which kind of implies you worked for a dealer, not did work for a dealer.

Come on Barry, thats a bit harsh. He plays a vital role. Cooper's & Stratstone's mechanics and salesmen would starve if it wasn't for Pac flipping burgers in a nearby lay-by!

[pac1982]

I think adamant is a strong word it's simply my preference and to be fair I probably only repaired a lot more e46 seats and door cards due to them being more expensive cars and people were willing to spend the money on them.

Adamant is a very apt word when you come out with lines like "the E36 quality is better overall than an E46"

Yes I was sub contracted to BMW don't recall saying I was employed by them directly

Without trawling your posts i know you have said in the past you worked for BMW which kind of implies you worked for a dealer, not did work for a dealer.

Anyway why do you want to know all this I feel quite proud that you find my life so interesting

Not interested in your life at all, just want to know what experience qualifies to make these remarks.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now ain't you, your telling me things about myself I don't even know, how old are you by the way your going on like your 12, I'll help you collect your toys if you want.

And I'll say it again I don't need any experience to express my remarks, but if I do ever need done advice changing my oil filter I'll be sure to consult you seeing as you half a wealth of experience in that field.

You do realise how much of a numpty your making yourself look? All I'm doing is simply replying to your posts which I can carry on doing for a long long time

[pac1982]

Yes I was sub contracted to BMW don't recall saying I was employed by them directly

Without trawling your posts i know you have said in the past you worked for BMW which kind of implies you worked for a dealer, not did work for a dealer.

Come on Barry, thats a bit harsh. He plays a vital role. Cooper's & Stratstone's mechanics and salesmen would starve if it wasn't for Pac flipping burgers in a nearby lay-by!

No

[bss325i]

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now ain't you, your telling me things about myself I don't even know, how old are you by the way your going on like your 12, I'll help you collect your toys if you want.

It seems to be you that is scraping the bottom of the barrel by throwing lame insults that are water off a ducks back.

Come on, back up your remarks with something of substance!

And I'll say it again I don't need any experience to express my remarks, but if I do ever need done advice changing my oil filter I'll be sure to consult you seeing as you half a wealth of experience in that field.

Of course you don't need experience to express your remarks but the shit you keep coming out with just fortifies the general consensus that you are a tool that's full of it.

You do realise how much of a numpty your making yourself look? All I'm doing is simply replying to your posts which I can carry on doing for a long long time

Keep it up pac, i can go on and on and on.

You do realise that from day one you have made yourself out to be a clown. Keep it up!

[pac1982]

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now ain't you, your telling me things about myself I don't even know, how old are you by the way your going on like your 12, I'll help you collect your toys if you want.

It seems to be you that is scraping the bottom of the barrel by throwing lame insults that are water off a ducks back.

Come on, back up your remarks with something of substance!

And I'll say it again I don't need any experience to express my remarks, but if I do ever need done advice changing my oil filter I'll be sure to consult you seeing as you half a wealth of experience in that field.

Of course you don't need experience to express your remarks but the shit you keep coming out with just fortifies the general consensus that you are a tool that's full of it.

You do realise how much of a numpty your making yourself look? All I'm doing is simply replying to your posts which I can carry on doing for a long long time

Keep it up pac, i can go on and on and on.

You do realise that from day one you have made yourself out to be a clown. Keep it up!

You keep repeating yourself matey you sound like a stuck record, your not even worth me trying to prove myself nor do i feel the need to.

You seem to be trying to win something here, sorry to disappoint but there is noting to win, there is no prize we can keep exchanging words as much as you like, it means nothing will achieve noting and never will.

Perhaps I'm providing you with a service, are you lonely?

[bss325i]

You keep repeating yourself matey you sound like a stuck record, your not even worth me trying to prove myself nor do i feel the need to.

You seem to be trying to win something here, sorry to disappoint but there is noting to win, there is no prize we can keep exchanging words as much as you like, it means nothing will achieve noting and never will.

Perhaps I'm providing you with a service, are you lonely?

Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you're saying?

You said you don't ever back down but yet you say to keep exchanging words will achieve nothing.

Keep it up pac!

[pac1982]

You keep repeating yourself matey you sound like a stuck record, your not even worth me trying to prove myself nor do i feel the need to.

You seem to be trying to win something here, sorry to disappoint but there is noting to win, there is no prize we can keep exchanging words as much as you like, it means nothing will achieve noting and never will.

Perhaps I'm providing you with a service, are you lonely?

Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you're saying?

You said you don't ever back down but yet you say to keep exchanging words will achieve nothing.

Keep it up pac!

Did I say I was stopping? No, besides you started this or in other words you dug the hole now try and get out if it with some decency

I'm more wondering what it is you want to achieve from this? I knew from the start it would be a pointless argument but thought I would bate you along anyway

Fetch......

[bss325i]

Did I say I was stopping? No, besides you started this or in other words you dug the hole now try and get out if it with some decency

"You started this"?!:chuckle:

Its like arguing with an adolescent.

I'm more wondering what it is you want to achieve from this? I knew from the start it would be a pointless argument but thought I would bate you along anyway

Fetch......

I've already achieved what i needed to or should i say you did that yourself in your very first post on this thread.

Back at ya trimmer boy!

[pac1982]

And you achieved what exactly? Apart from making yourself look like a mr know it all?

And what's wrong with pointing blame after all it was you acting the child in the first place and throwing your toys out them pram when I made it clear my feelings on the E46.

Ahhh bless your little cotton socks

[kieran325]

Two little angry men make my evening

[pac1982]

Two little angry men make my evening

I'm not angry at all just humouring BSS

[bss325i]

No anger here ladies, but pac all i've done is highlight the fact that you are a habitual bullshitter and you got upset.

There there sonny, we can't all be great trimmer boy!

[pac1982]

No anger here ladies, but pac all i've done is highlight the fact that you are a habitual bullshitter and you got upset.

There there sonny, we can't all be great trimmer boy!

I'm not in the slightest bit upset a little bit miffed perhaps as you've still failed to prove I'm a bullshitter or come up with any evidence to back it up, all you've shown me is things I've said that you don't agree with

If anything your the one with shit around your mouth

Shall we start bringing your mum jokes in to this yet or is it too late for that?

[kieran325]

I'm off, no fun to be had

[bss325i]

No anger here ladies, but pac all i've done is highlight the fact that you are a habitual bullshitter and you got upset.

There there sonny, we can't all be great trimmer boy!

I'm not in the slightest bit upset a little bit miffed perhaps as you've still failed to prove I'm a bullshitter or come up with any evidence to back it up, all you've shown me is things I've said that you don't agree with

If anything your the one with shit around your mouth

Shall we start bringing your mum jokes in to this yet or is it too late for that?

I haven't failed anything and not one person has agreed on this thread with your "views" on E36/E46 quality issues or subframe mounts fracture frequencies.

One thing you are right about though is that i am beginning to sound like a stuck record but that's because you are to dumb to realise that i'm right and you're wrong.

Shit around my mouth? Mum joke's?!

Jeez you really are bringing out the big guns now eh trimmer boy!

[pac1982]

No anger here ladies, but pac all i've done is highlight the fact that you are a habitual bullshitter and you got upset.

There there sonny, we can't all be great trimmer boy!

I'm not in the slightest bit upset a little bit miffed perhaps as you've still failed to prove I'm a bullshitter or come up with any evidence to back it up, all you've shown me is things I've said that you don't agree with

If anything your the one with shit around your mouth

Shall we start bringing your mum jokes in to this yet or is it too late for that?

I haven't failed anything and not one person has agreed with your views on this thread on your "views" on E36/E46 quality issues or subframe mounts fracture frequencies.

One thing you are right about though is that i am beginning to sound like a stuck record but that's because you are to dumb to realise that i'm right and you're wrong.

Shit around my mouth? Mum joke's?!

Jeez you really are bringing out the big guns now eh trimmer boy!

No infact I'm not bringing out anything all I'm doing is replying to all of your feeble posts

Your posts and attempted insults are not worth retaliating against besides your doing a good enough job at making a tit out yourself anyway I don't have to try

And for the "stuck" record I don't need people to side with me or give there approval I'm perfectly confident with my own approval thanks obviously where we differ.