THE Estoril Alpina E38 B12 is in trouble!

[SUMPCRACKER]

Yep, gona sign up to put an ad on there - breaking e38 b12,

[Rodderz]

There's more.....

http://www.thealpinaregister.com/forums ... php?t=5917

http://www.thealpinaregister.com/forums ... php?t=5918

I think that Baggio850 should get himself an E30!

[Jeepster]

I don't understand why the chap is crying, he took the payout from the insurance, didn't agree their price for buying it back and thought he would buy it back through an auction at a cheaper price leaving more money in his pocket.

That is a risk, if he really wanted the car he should have bought it back, instead to get a better deal he risked loosing the car and that's what he did. His choice to gamble and the plan failed, tough luck imo.

The fact that he has held back all of the history show's him to be a bit of a cunnock. He gave up the right by accepting the payout and refusing to buy it back at the price asked.

[d6dph]

I don't understand why the chap is crying, he took the payout from the insurance, didn't agree their price for buying it back and thought he would buy it back through an auction at a cheaper price leaving more money in his pocket.

That is a risk, if he really wanted the car he should have bought it back, instead to get a better deal he risked loosing the car and that's what he did. His choice to gamble and the plan failed, tough luck imo.

The fact that he has held back all of the history show's him to be a bit of a cunnock. He gave up the right by accepting the payout and refusing to buy it back at the price asked.

I can just see him sitting there typing his posts, bottom lip jutted out like a kid that's been told off muttering to himself "It's my ball and you can't play with it

Absolutely childish behaviour and by holding back the history he is just completely ruining what potentially could be a car that is 99% as good as it ever was. Now it will just be an E38 with Alpina bits that has had a smack. Very very sad.

[Rodderz]

I cant wait for someone to post that they have seen it in the "Alpina spotted" forum!

[Gortour]

I don't understand why the chap is crying, he took the payout from the insurance, didn't agree their price for buying it back and thought he would buy it back through an auction at a cheaper price leaving more money in his pocket.

That is a risk, if he really wanted the car he should have bought it back, instead to get a better deal he risked loosing the car and that's what he did. His choice to gamble and the plan failed, tough luck imo.

The fact that he has held back all of the history show's him to be a bit of a cunnock. He gave up the right by accepting the payout and refusing to buy it back at the price asked.

I can just see him sitting there typing his posts, bottom lip jutted out like a kid that's been told off muttering to himself "It's my ball and you can't play with it

Absolutely childish behaviour and by holding back the history he is just completely ruining what potentially could be a car that is 99% as good as it ever was. Now it will just be an E38 with Alpina bits that has had a smack. Very very sad.

Sorry, but I agree with both these comments. He didn't buy it back, he took the gamble and lost... And keeping the history? Petty and juvenile. Though maybe some of the history can be recreated from Alpina and BMW?

Nice to see they're a friendly sort on the Alpina website. Baggio must feel really welcome...

[SUMPCRACKER]

I can't believe what a bunch of c@cks they are on there, they are so far up the first owners arse its amazing, are they all spoiled brats?
Even the mods are out of order pr1cks, - like the original owner.

That forum is enough to put anyone off Alpina's, I agree with roderz that baggo needs to get an account on here.

Seeing what a tw@t the guy is, i doubt the biker story is even true, he probobly just lost it and made up a story that it wasn't his fault.

[Blitz]

I'm a member

[SUMPCRACKER]

Were you?

[skipunda]

dust in the wind, dude

[Rodderz]

Me too!

[skipunda]

Me too!

and me, but only to secure some wheels.

[Rodderz]

Offer him an E30 sweater or something!

[Steve-E30]

The fact that he has held back all of the history show's him to be a bit of a cunnock. He gave up the right by accepting the payout and refusing to buy it back at the price asked.

April fools or not the guy sounds like a right tool
If he wanted it that bad he should have bought it back end of .

I can't believe what a bunch of c@cks they are on there, they are so far up the first owners arse its amazing

I thought that after reading that thread tbh , Biker was probably dazzled by his blue wipers

[skipunda]

we do sweaters!? maybe we hire him a bmw cab or something at the most

[Rodderz]

Ask him what car he has? I bet it's a C2 cab!

[Steve-E30]

Ask him what car he has? I bet it's a C2 cab!

More like a citroen c2
Amd a e30 cab

[Simon13]

i'm on there and have met most of the people posting on that thread. They ain't stuck up just like their motors in an alpina flavour

Different scene but alot of them obviously have some dollars under their beds!

[Jhonno]

What a petulant child he is.. Clearly has never grown up and still has the mindset of taking his ball home. If he wanted it THAT much he would have bought it back off the insurance company..

I have to say I am quite amused it all backfired on him

[mr_dink]

This story is the reason you NEVER EVER let them take away the "salvage" if you want to keep your car.

If the guys got money why risk losing the car for a few grand saving.

Played for, and lost.

[Rodderz]

I have re-read the guys original post and if I read it correctly...Zurich have paid him £30K! He could of had the car and £18K,so he could have easily got the car repaired to a very high standard for how much? £10K at the most?

If he thought that that car would only make 5-6K at auction then he's an idiot!!

[Jeepster]

And it goes to show that their buy back figure was very accurate.

[pacerpete]

So where is the freak that paid 13.5k for the colour coded corpse ?

[78dude]

First of all, its better to offer an Alpina into a wall then some ones life, even if they are nuts on a bike tbh!
Im glad to see that the owner whant to keep it and fix it up, I think an owner of that sort of car have a pokcet a bit bigger than a normal dude on the pavement, and this Alpina owner sounds for me, to be a person who loves his car and give a lot of passion into it. I have also read the artcle about it, and its just a fantastic motor even if the E38 starts to be old these days...

I think in the end, this storry will have a happy ending with a good Alpina and a lucky owner who is ready to eat more miles on the road with this "autobahn machine"

If some one knows the owner of this Alpina, say hello from Sweden and give him my respect!

[Jon_Bmw]

You need to read some more into the story, it gets juicy.

This wasn't too different to the 'Ste's car thread. except we were all arguing over a grand and a halfs worth of scrap!

[78dude]

You need to read some more into the story, it gets juicy.

This wasn't too different to the 'Ste's car thread. except we were all arguing over a grand and a halfs worth of scrap!

If you go to Norway, you can see insurance pays body shops like £8-9000 ish to fix up an Toyota Corolla from 1996 due to hi import tax etc.

If you have the correct words to put on to a letter to your insurance company, there is a lot of things who can happends.

I know this a bit due to my interest to Alfa Romeos, and I know there have been issues with insurance when some one have crashed a classic Spider or GTV6 to an example

[cecotto479]

The estimates for repair were £22K. I've seen them and I've seen it in the flesh. It's much worse than the photos. Minimum of £10K to fix it, I'd say and that's using second hand parts.

The car is worth about £20K

With a Cat D Marker it will be worth , what £16.5K at the most? Still think the salvage is worth £13.5K? Get a grip.

The Baggio guy had offered to buy the car in the past and took the hump because his offers were refused.

The owner desparately wanted to have the car repaired, the insurers wouldn't play as it was cheaper for them to write it off. He would *much* rather have had it repaired than the £30K. The insurers wanted £12500 for the salvage. There was much toing and froing in attempts to get the car repaired, but in this case, I think the agreed value worked against the car - the history and significance of the car meant nothing as its value was chrystallised at a very optimistic £30K and nothing would budge the insurers.

The owner did not publicise the auction hoping to get a free run at it. It became apparent that one or two "enthusiasts" with more money than brains found out about it and rather than doing what I or, I suspect most of you, would do, namely contact the owner and say, "Let me know when you're finished, I'll have a bid." chose to do it in secret. OK. Nothing wrong in that at the end of the day, it's business, but the car was well known and his passion for the car was equally well known. I think, the decent thing for an enthusiast to do would be to give him a free run at it.

As it turned out he chose not to bid and let the car go. I think the bidders, thinking they were clever - and probably never having viewed the car, thought that they were bidding against the owner who would know better than anyone what the true damage was and how much it would cost. On that basis, they kept bidding even when it was clear that the price was ridiculous - they thought they were bidding against someone who knew what it was worth, but they were in fact bidding against an idiot.

I can only imagine with some amusement the look on the winner's face when he sees what he's paid £13500 for. Idiot.

The owner was a bit upset by their underhand behaviour and was finding it difficult to let go of a car that he never intended to sell and had turned down daft offers for. He accepts that financially he's done very well, but up until very recently would rather have had the car.

If it is with someone who wants it irrespective of cost and wants to keep it indefinitely, then, hopefully it'll be repaired properly.

If it's with someone who thinks they can repair it cheap and quick and make a few bob, then it'd be as well fragged.

[Dan318-is]

Nice Alpina Hap!

[gooner1]

cecotto, i understand all that, but surely by deciding not to bid at all, the O/O gave up
all rights to the car. So why all the historonics now. It,s irelevant who owns it now, or what they paid for it. Holding back the cars history, or even theatening to bury it is just petty and spiteful. Yes, some on that forum may well have been a bit devious in their tactics, but to not bid at all says just one thing. He no longer wanted it. Would be very different if he had bid
up to what he was prepared to pay.

[d6dph]

Nice Alpina Hap!

[Jeepster]

cecotto, i understand all that, but surely by deciding not to bid at all, the O/O gave up
all rights to the car. So why all the historonics now. It,s irelevant who owns it now, or what they paid for it. Holding back the cars history, or even theatening to bury it is just petty and spiteful. Yes, some on that forum may well have been a bit devious in their tactics, but to not bid at all says just one thing. He no longer wanted it. Would be very different if he had bid
up to what he was prepared to pay.

And had been beaten by folks willing to spend more..

I agree, he has let go of the car through his own choice and as such his reaction now and the witholding of the history etc is just sillyness.

@ Cecotto, your comments about the value are pointless, it doesn't matter what you, the previous owner or the insurance company rated its worth at previously, it has gone to auction in the condition its in now and its achieved more than you think is right because that's what people are willing to pay. I imagine that had it gone out to auction complete, there may have been some raised eyebrows at its final price.

The suggestion of underhand activity is also a bit off the mark imho, even on Ebay bidders identities are withheld so how exactly should they have approached the situation? Approached the previous owner and asked if they can have his blessing to bid on a car he doesn't even own? I wouldn't agree with that. As said before he had sold the right to that when he refused to buy it back from the insurance. Then the fact that he didn't even bid, well, all that talk of people being sneaky, him desperately wanting to buy it back and all his love for the car being stolen by an idiot, its just rubbish isn't it, because he didn't even try.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy with this person, they have come across childish and petty, when they had the chance to get what they wanted and didn't bother.

[cecotto479]

cecotto, i understand all that, but surely by deciding not to bid at all, the O/O gave up
all rights to the car. So why all the historonics now. It,s irelevant who owns it now, or what they paid for it. Holding back the cars history, or even theatening to bury it is just petty and spiteful. Yes, some on that forum may well have been a bit devious in their tactics, but to not bid at all says just one thing. He no longer wanted it. Would be very different if he had bid
up to what he was prepared to pay. :?

Possibly. But I was watching it (I was going to be bidding for him) and the price reached what it was worth to him - which is still more than its true worth - with 24 hours to go! His decision not to bid was at least partly down to the daft price it was getting.

In the thread he talks about getting a bollocking from a pal. He did. And to be fair to him, it now looks very like the car will now be reunited with its history, and the optional extras like the speedo and steering wheel that he bought for it - and he'll get another couple of quid to soften the blow and I accept that it probably does look a bit childish and petty, but they way it all played out, it wasn't.

If say, B7s convertible, was written off, would you bid on it at salvage auction without speaking to him? I don't know him, but I would at least check.

My take on it all was that it was hilarious. These idiots thought they were being clever and paid very nearly what it was worth undamaged for a car needing £20K (retail certainly) of repairs to add £3K of value to what they paid. It's an 8 yr old E38 at the end of the day.

At the time, he was fuming - he's calmed down and moved on

[pacerpete]

Ian Learner is selling his ex Frank Sytner B12 6.0, 15 bags should buy it. Another £500 on aerosols, job jobbed !

[B7]

If say, B7s convertible, was written off, would you bid on it at salvage auction without speaking to him? I don't know him, but I would at least check.

I wouldn't want it back to be honest. Never be the same with a "cat" against it. Let someone else have it knowing that you've had the best of the car and they have the remnants I say.

[steerfromtherear]

Bloody hell cant believe the handbags being chucked about on there.

Its an auction simple, the original owner took a gamble and lost, his loss. Why he thinks it is ok to get angry with others is beyond me.
Regardless of whether the top bidder knew the cars original owner or not is irrelevant unless they are friends or family.
At the end of the day the top bidder could have no idea at all of its history / no affiliation with the Alpenis register.

I dont know if this makes me sound like I have no morals or not but if I saw something I wanted for sale and I had the money for it I would buy it, regardless of whoever wants it (unless it was a mate or family as I said). Im damn sure its happened to me and worse many times.
Business is business after all, as they say Money talks, Bullshit walks.