E30 Zone

has anyone used both products please?

Jon perhaps?

Opinions on Klasse would be welcome - I know how everyone feels about Zaino

klasse is a good product tho imho a little dated

they changed the composition slightly as far as i know and there have been a few problems with it

imho very difficult to apply and avoid smearing
finish is good but relys heavily on very good prep to get results

durability no where near zaino

john

thanks
(sorry BTW I thought you were Jon not John)

I've been looking at American websites/forums where they review polish/wax, and they can afford to swim in Zaino (it's so cheap over there) but they rate it the same as e.g. Klasse, Pinnacle, P21S, etc etc and even Turtlewax Platinum (which I guess we don't get over here)...

so from this we could conclude
1) Americans!
or
2) Placeys point on wax/polish which I think was spot-on; each to their own.

i disagree slightly

as i have said its like beer everyone has their favourites

but you some you have quoted are simply not in the same league as zaino or klasse

why do I know that

because i have used them and compared them and have the proof


put p21s on a panel leave it for a month and tell me what happens

sealants and polishes evolve

synthetics are pretty new compared with wax etc

some people will not ever be convinced by synthetics and therefore will always shout for wax and brands they have used for years

look up some sites on top top show detailers and tell me how much turtle wax they use

as i have always said
yes carnuba will give good results

yes some are top products

but judging a product is not all about
a) what youver read about

b)finish

lots of other factors are in the equation.ease of use,durability(which cannot be touched by any other product out there compared to zaino) ,amount used,price etc etc

sp like you say each to thier own

but i can assure you that i use the absolute best products for me out there

they give for me the best results

if persil brought a product out that was 2.5k a bottle and it was better than i use now id pay it and use it

why do i shout about zaino

because its incredible

people want to use other stuff thats all good

but i do not base my opinions on speculation or rumour or any brand orientated forum tells me

i base it on actually trying the product and comparing.

i have klasse on my shelf.good product

difficult to use unless used to it

best applied in a fine spray/mist and applied very evenly otherwise you get streaks

it lasts about imho 8 weeks against elements and then performance fails or is greatly diminished

zaino will not begin to fade for at least 9 months

ie wash weekly and the car will look same as it did when applied

also a good point is that you are mentioning two synthetics and two carnuba based products

synthetics if they are good products and these mentioned are will always outlast a carnuba

what are you looking for from a product??

durability,optical finish,ease of use,price,

you need to answer these questions and you will rule a lot of products aout of the frame

once they are ruled out then in the individulas eyes they are lesser products than the ones you are left with???

its a discussion that will go on and on

and with all due respect if i prepped your car i defy you to better the finish i would obtain and that would be down to a certain extent to zaino

and as i have always said prep which is 95% of the way to top class paintwork

O/T - John, have you ever tried the really high end zymol stuff (estate glazes etc)

yes i have
very very good finish but

durability is weak.carnuba will always be like that

any WAX will need topping off very very reguarly.

its just not durable stuff.yes its a capable product but to keep finish as good as it can be when applied in first place then you need to keep applying

washing the car diminishes the finish.

as already said its a decision making process

its about what you need the product to do for you.

put a tub of wax out in the sun and watchit melt

why will it be any different on your paint??

john

John - thanks for your points... I totally understand where you are coming from, but.....

Zaino will stay on the car for 9 months? No need for reapplication and it will look as good (and repell water) after 8 months as the day you finished applying it? (obviously with good prep in the first place).

I know you are in the trade but I find that hard to believe (as you said to me no offence intended) - otherwise why hasn't some big player got the distribution rights to the UK/Europe and Zaino would be plastered over every advertising hoarding...

Or Gleam-Clean offering to 'protect your car for 9 months for £100' or whatever and coining it in....

do you see what I mean?

('m sorry if you feel you've answered this all before in other posts)

yes zaino will repel water as good after 9 months

i have found it diminishes after that period .blieve me its true

iam not in the trade.iaman enthusiast that has showncars for 18 years and has learnt the hard way

massive advertising is no sign of great product.autoglym is a good example

there are 2 guys who have rights to distribution in uk

took them years to get the ok to seel it here
why? because all the products were developed by one man.........sal zaino

he will not export.he wont even send stuff from states to canada

zaino is massive in usa.

with all due respect its very easy to diss results or claims

why would i lie,why would i claim it does this and know it doesnt.

i have the freedom to use whatever i want.point is i want the best product for me and zaino is it as we speak

id use chip fat if results were better

please dont think i have to promote zaino because i dont

its far harder to disprove results.iam continually trying new products to find the new holy grail

you reluctance to believe is largely due to believing all the bullshit large glossy adverts for what we consider top products which on the whole are crap

i recently tested a range of products from the states.very very very good.not as deep as zaino and durability not anywhere near

but good and would wipe the floor with 95% of whats available here.

made by FINISH KARE

you wont know them.no glossy adverts etc but top stuff.tho application is very involved

this doesnt bother me as iam prepared to do whatever for better results .majority wouldnt be prpared to take that amount of time.

a good example of good products not necessarily being the one on front cover of magazines is gliptone leather care

the best available without a doubt but a very small company without massive advertising campaigns

99% of people use sponges and chamois towash car

is the best way then beacuse thats what everyone does???

no its the worst way.

microfibre mitt and waffle weave drying towel is best way but a very small percentage do it because its relatively new technology and there is always a train of thought that on the whole tells humans that change is a bad thing and lets just follow the pack

jon

microfibre mitt and waffle weave drying towel is best way but a very small percentage do it because its relatively new technology and there is always a train of thought that on the whole tells humans that change is a bad thing and lets just follow the pack

good point - well I'm trying to decide what to use next, so I'll give Zaino a go - I'm just not happy with the mark-up the UK boys are adding.

ok i see where you are coming from

isal zaino will not them have their stuff from him

they have to have it from/thru the european distributor in gemany

they get 15% off if they buy a certain amount

this is profit minus costs

put e30zone in box on order page and that gives you another 5% off your order

their share is now 10%

i have brought a lot of stuff in from usa and shipping and duty is mad prices and this is what bumps it up beyond belief

i know the guys running adavanced car products and only reason they supply it is because they fell in love with the stuff and it was sohard to get

eventually they got the ok to supply it but only thru euro dist. man

this is not their trade
it is not their main business.they both have other major careers and do this simply as a hobby and a way of getting zaino

john

yes I had an email session with Sal last week - I looked at the German site and their prices are similar to the UK boys...

the only odd thing is the Australian distributors are significantly cheaper.