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Thinking of having this done

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=112889

Anybody know whats involved? Says satin black, is this just the clearcoat or the base paint itself?

That darned Brabus has got me thinking.......

Damn you.

I like it.

I know, looks awesome. Just very aware that if you get it wrong..........

looks great.... stealthy

Only thing is, it seems different to other "satin black" cars I have seen? The rest seem to be very flat, whereas this seems to have a bit of a shine. Thats why I was asking about using a clearcoat, cos if I do it, I dont want it to look like a home-made job!

that looks nice

projectmick wrote:Only thing is, it seems different to other "satin black" cars I have seen? The rest seem to be very flat, whereas this seems to have a bit of a shine. Thats why I was asking about using a clearcoat, cos if I do it, I dont want it to look like a home-made job!

the other ones you have seen may be matt black

satin paint holds that shine and no clearcoat finish is needed, whereas other flat black cars will have matt paint which has more of a chalkboard flat finish.

And yes you should definatly have it done as that car looks amazing!

i like it but i dont like the wheels

The car in the link has a matte clearcoat - he says so himself in the thread.

Thats ok - I have 16x9 borbet b wheels, so figure it would look pretty cool with those on.

Having read through, it seems it may be matt black, but with a matt black clearcoat on - I'm off to find some of that then.......

damn, beat me to it!

Looks sweeeeeet!!!!!

Looks proper mean on black borbets (page 7 of the thread!!)

Looks really 'Phat

'Flatning binder' can be added to Jet black to achieve that finish...

I made up a load at work only today

Believe me I have looked through every colour chip and the one I chose 'Honda' is best

Slight blueish black shine to it

* All things like Strut brace (which I painted today) are going that colour.... Do it do it

You know, when I posted this I thought there may be a negative response to it, but having seen all you guys egging me on, I think I will seriously look into it.

I was going to go all black, leave the borbets as they are, and do the calipers/rear lights red and engine bay details red/chrome

So, OBs - where can I look up the relevant colours and products needed? If you could share some info that would be great!

hmmm i was gonna repaint my car in a gloss black later in the year but i think now i may stick with the satin black i currently have but put a matt kinda clearcoat on it.

Thats nice dude, don't change it back! So is it a satin paint you used, or a matt? This is what I'm confused by at the moment.

Did you do it yourself, or have it done by a pro? Keep it as it is! I cannot stress this enough!

satin black. did it myself using a 2HP compressor. there are a few matt black acrs going around my area and the satin looks far better IMO, has a semi shine to it

pauldeacs wrote:satin black. did it myself using a 2HP compressor. there are a few matt black acrs going around my area and the satin looks far better IMO, has a semi shine to it

I notice that drivers side door from some where Pauldeacs?

OBs wrote:

pauldeacs wrote:satin black. did it myself using a 2HP compressor. there are a few matt black acrs going around my area and the satin looks far better IMO, has a semi shine to it

I notice that passenger door from some where Pauldeacs?

lol you probably dont recognice the passenger side door but would notice the drivers one for sure ;)

projectmick one thing i would say is its a total pain to keep clean. water marks, dirt, dust, finger prints etc.

biggest problem in my street is s0dding cats walking all over it, dusty paw prints all over it.

OB.......... you are a bit of a car bodyshop guru................... what kinda clearcoat could i apply to make it a bit easier to maintain as such but not get too much of an intense shine (i.ekeep it looking satin-ish)

projectmick wrote: So, OBs - where can I look up the relevant colours and products needed? If you could share some info that would be great!

Depends if you are going down the 2 pack route?

If so... Paint, hardner and thinners - I will get you the colour code if you want the Honda one?

You would obviously need a Compressor and spray gun etc if you do it your self

A motor factors should be able to supply the materials needed, Its easier to spray a Matt / Satin finish

Pm me if you get stuck Ill do me bestto help
OBs

pauldeacs wrote: OB.......... you are a bit of a car bodyshop guru................... what kinda clearcoat could i apply to make it a bit easier to maintain as such but not get too much of an intense shine (i.ekeep it looking satin-ish)

Im guessing you have 'basecoated' it?

What paint have you used?

If Im right and it is a basecoat which would need 'clear' over the top, again a flattining binder should be used to achieve the semi gloss finish you require

Or as I said before mix a gloss black with said binder instead

pauldeacs wrote:lol you probably dont recognice the passenger side door but would notice the drivers one for sure ;)

Yea thats what I said
(You never did leave me feedback )

OBs wrote:

pauldeacs wrote:lol you probably dont recognice the passenger side door but would notice the drivers one for sure ;)

Yea thats what I said
(You never did leave me feedback )

oops............. feedback now left!

So let me get this right, I can use a flat plain black satin spray as a base, and then apply a flattening binder on top instead of a clearcoat? And this flattening binder is the "honda" you speak of?

Sorry if I have got that all wrong, but if you could get me the code for the Honda colour that would be cool.

P.S how is this cleaned? Can it be waxed or will that make it too shiny?

I have been thinking about satin paint for a while. Wasn't thinking about black though, something a bit different. Here is a link to a paint manufacturer that specialises in satin an flat paints.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/ksflatz.aspx

Hope this helps

projectmick wrote:So let me get this right, I can use a flat plain black satin spray as a base, and then apply a flattening binder on top instead of a clearcoat? And this flattening binder is the "honda" you speak of?

Sorry if I have got that all wrong, but if you could get me the code for the Honda colour that would be cool.

P.S how is this cleaned? Can it be waxed or will that make it too shiny?

Hi again Mick, Ill explain it the best I can

At work I currently use DuPont paint, most paint systems will be similar.

Solid colours - These are your 'Straight' colours i.e non metallic, Mica pearls and Pearls etc.
Solid colours are mixed 3:1 with hardener and 10% thinner - They are your Primary colours including White and Black, they do not require Clear coating as they can be polished and waxed to achieve a shine (for arguments sake we will call Clear coat a Solid colour, as It is mixed the same and does the same job so to speak)

Base coats - Can be either Solvent based which is mixed 2:1 with a Base coat thinner or Waterborne which with the DuPont system dosnt require thinning.
Base coats when applied will lay 'flat' and give you a Semi gloss finish, but they will offer no protection from day to day life, pretty much like wood if you don't Varnish it.
Besides Water base will just wash off in the rain

Aerosol - These are also know as 1 pack, like above come in Solid colours but also includes Matt and Satin, then obviously Base coat metallics and Clear, Aerosol is alright for small jobs but I wouldn't recommend it for a repaint
Also aerosol will not offer the same amount of protection over a length of time as 2 pack.

Matt, Satin and Semi gloss - Which are mainly used on Door / Window mouldings, Bumpers and Bump strips, these finishes are achieved by using a Flattening binder, which is an additive that can be added to either Solid colour or Clear coat (as said before we will treat them as the same)
For example if you were to get a glass of Pure fruit juice which would be like a Solid colour or Water acting as a Clear coat and added milk the end result would be an Opaque effect, the same applies.

Matt - 70%
Satin - 50%
Semi gloss - 25%

So all in all working with the Black car theory, if you were to spray a 'Satin' base coat but then Clear coat the car you would still end up with a Gloss finish, but by adding 50% of Flattening binder to the Clear it would then make it Satin (but maybe more on the Matt side)

On a paint scheme you get around about 40 tinters which cover the whole colour spectrum, with each Car manufacturer you obviously get a colour code which when typed in to a Computer gives you the 'ingredients' of which tinters go together to make that particular colour, for example a Solid white car could have White, Blue, black, Red and so on... Just to make say Alpine white.

The Honda colour I mentioned is a Solid colour, but with either of the ''Solid colours'' I mentioned you would still be able to Polish and Wax it as normal.

I hope that 'Clears' a few things up

OBs

Ok, that makes sense, nice explanation - thanks dude!

Oylegate, cheers for the link too, some good stuff on there!

Right, off to sort out all my goodies with this new found info...........