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my m50 conversion

Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:06 pm
by les3002
here is the donor car picked up off ebay for £300 with a snapped cambelt totally rust free,

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and the engine which i got for free out of my mates 92 e34 525i

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old wheeze pot m40

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empty bay

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going in :)

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in :)

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modifyed m52 manifolds to fit around the e36 rack

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where im upto at the minute, need to sort the prop and downpipes next.

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Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:15 pm
by eko
Nice progress there mate and engine bay looks nice and neat too.
What servo did you opt for?
Ive used Golf ones on my last 2 conversions but after driving Benjys M50 with Clio servo ill definately be using one of those on my next conversion.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:03 am
by les3002
it was a mk1 golf gti servo mate, does the clio one feel alot better then?

got the wiring done the other day just need to sort the exhaust before i can see if it starts :)

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:04 am
by les3002
one question

there is a big pipe coming up around the air filter (looks like a breather that connected to the old airbox) what have you done with that?

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:42 am
by eko
les3002 wrote:one question

there is a big pipe coming up around the air filter (looks like a breather that connected to the old airbox) what have you done with that?
You mean with the sensor attached which bolts on?If so I just tucked it out the way under my M30 airbox.

As for the Clio servo.I drove Benjys car this week and the brakes are perfect.Stopping power and pedal feel/height is perfect.
As for the Golf one:pedal always feels `too hard`.Dont get me wrong they worked well enough just took some getting used to the feel.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:48 am
by benjy
In the fifth picture it looks like your got the aircon bracket still fitted.....that needs to come off1 :D TIP, chase the engine mount threads with a tap! make life easier when you dont crack the block.....It has been known :?
Clio servo's rock :thumb:
Cheers, ben

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:01 am
by Andy325i
Good work :) Nice to see more 24 valve rightness winkeye

Andy

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:15 am
by les3002
no mate not that sensor, i think thats a valve to heat the throttle when its cold isnt it? was just going to remove this, the pipe i mean is about 30mm diameter.

yeah the aircon bracket is still on, didnt fancy removing the front pulley so left it on as its not doing any harm i dont think, as you can see aswell when fitting it i did forget to move one of the e36 mounts to the rear mount holes and did run a tap down the holes after id snapped a bolt in one and had to drill it out, doh!

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:26 am
by ed325i
I have moved the e30 servo over about 1 1/2", I will see if it clears when I put the engine in.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:41 pm
by ha22
nice job ed, what gearbox, fly wheel and clutch are you using. i'm gonna start my conversion when the weather take s a turn for the better.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:00 am
by ed325i
I have got 2 boxes I can use the m50 and the m20 box.
If I use the m50 box I have got to get a prop and change the diff
so I am going to use the m20 box with the m20 flywheel etc.
If I was to use the m50 box I would still use the m20 flywheel as its lighter.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:32 pm
by Andy325i
Ed, won't the M20 gearshift be in the wrong place as the M20/M50's sit on different angles?

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:33 pm
by ed325i
Yes the m20 box will sit at a different angle but the gear linkage can be bent to fit.

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Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:08 pm
by dave525
i might be wrong but i thought you can use the m40 box.andyboy said something about this i,m sure.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:11 pm
by eko
ed325i wrote:Yes the m20 box will sit at a different angle but the gear linkage can be bent to fit.

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Ed,just why not just spacer(or get a thicker) engine mount rubber to rotate the engine and box?

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:15 pm
by DanThe
You dont want to be rotating the engine, sump will be on the p1ss

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:18 pm
by eko
DanThe wrote:You dont want to be rotating the engine, sump will be on the p1ss
Good point :o:

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:38 pm
by les3002
small update:

got bored at work so decided to try and mod the original e30 gearlinkage as i wasnt having much look at the local scrappy, worked pretty well sits the gearstick perfect.

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also fitted the 328i prop i got with an e30 centre bearing and fitted it up.

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all thats left to do now really then is:

fab the exhaust downpipes

sort out wiring to the electric fan

have pas feed pipe to e36 rack made up

then its just fluids etc, it did start up the other week so seems like the wiring is all good :)

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:28 pm
by Demlotcrew
ed325i wrote:Yes the m20 box will sit at a different angle but the gear linkage can be bent to fit.

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This will only cause the prop to sit on the total piss!

A

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:53 pm
by ed325i
I have just been out to measure my prop to see if its sitting in the middle of the tunnel and it does.

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:59 pm
by Ant
Have to agree with Ed.

spacing one mount to mate correctly once the box is rotated the X degrees it needs leaves the prop dead centre in the car Andrew.

The M50 g/box support is NOT used here, the stock M20 one is employed

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:43 pm
by siddiqi1
that engine was never going in there.

i was looing at the third picture when i saw the engine being hoisted in and was like :eek: never gana get that in; i put my bottom dol...... 8O shit it went in!!!!!

looks like it was designed to be in there buddy; so well done and so suprisingly clean; doesnt look like its been bodged or anything!

excellent work buddy!

with regards to wiring; do you have to rip out all the E30 stuff and wire in the new engine loom completely?

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:44 pm
by DanThe
It is surprising how they slot in at the right angle, mine came out today past the air con condenser, with the extra pulley on the front too! :D

Good work on the gear linkages, I suppose thats one way to add weight to the shifting action :D

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:51 pm
by OBs
Dan did that pump ever turn up??

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:54 pm
by DanThe
Yeah it did Andy cheers, did it get run over or something?

Loving the avatar :D

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:55 pm
by OBs
Good job les3002 by the way :o:

OBs

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:58 pm
by OBs
DanThe wrote:Yeah it did Andy cheers, did it get run over or something?
No :eek: ??

Was it flat :?

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:59 pm
by siddiqi1
It is surprising how they slot in at the right angle, mine came out today past the air con condenser, with the extra pulley on the front too!
never knew a hoist could lift thaaaattt high!!!for such an angle.....good i supose to know its possible

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:10 pm
by DanThe
OBs wrote:
DanThe wrote:Yeah it did Andy cheers, did it get run over or something?
No :eek: ??

Was it flat :?
Its bent down the support for the pump unit, should be able to straighten it out though, I put it on the forklift for 'safe keeping' and the level sender unit fell off as I was reversing :roll:
That bit did get run over :)

Sorry for the thread rape fella's

Re: my m50 conversion

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:54 am
by les3002
cheers for the comments guys, i found just lifting it by the front lifting hook so its hanging vertically and the just pushing the box to the rear on a trolley jack was the easiest way of getting it in.