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Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:04 pm
by m-dtech
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Found this on ebay.

I think its from a clio.

Rod needs extended a bit but perfect fit otherwise.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:08 pm
by kam-325i
That looks like an E30 servo that aint grown up !!!!

Looks perfect for the job.......

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:42 pm
by DanThe
Thats what im using with my conversion, no modding, welding or drilling needed to make it fit either.

AND its made by Bosch :cool:

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I will be swapping the master cylinder soon though as I think it could be better.
(even though ive been running with it for 6 months)

Do me a favour and try the standard E30 master on yours, something I never did with it out of the car

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:54 pm
by eko
Looks like the same size as the Golf one im using!

Does this one not require the spacer then for the master cylinder rod?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:59 pm
by DanThe
Never tried it with the E30 master cylinder eko, I left the original on to see how it performed.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:02 pm
by eko
Oh right,im using the E30 one with a spacer!

Are you not impressed with the original one then?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:03 pm
by m-dtech
the rod looks further in than the e30 one though ??

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:04 pm
by eko
m-dtech wrote:the rod looks further in than the e30 one though ??
Thats how the Golf one is on mine,have to make a spacer to make up the space!

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:05 pm
by m-dtech
would need to make a rod with a cup on the end like ====< so the rod <==== pushes into it ?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:06 pm
by DanThe
Too much pedal travel eko. It needs to move more fluid IMO, so a larger bore master cylinder is what im on the lookout for.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:07 pm
by eko
I just used a piece of threaded rod(cut the head off a bolt) and inserted it into the back of the master cylinder.
Think i measured mine to about 10mm?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:08 pm
by m-dtech
DanThe wrote:Too much pedal travel eko. It needs to move more fluid IMO, so a larger bore master cylinder is what im on the lookout for.
That would be consistant with your rod being too short then ??

you have to use all the pedal to extend the rod fully...

by extending the rod too much would have the opposite effect ??

im just guessing ???????????

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:09 pm
by eko
DanThe wrote:Too much pedal travel eko. It needs to move more fluid IMO, so a larger bore master cylinder is what im on the lookout for.
Is an E30 master cyl much bigger than the one your using now(Clio)?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:10 pm
by eko
m-dtech wrote:
DanThe wrote:Too much pedal travel eko. It needs to move more fluid IMO, so a larger bore master cylinder is what im on the lookout for.
That would be consistant with your rod being too short then ??

by extending the rod too much would have the opposite effect?
I made this mistake,making the pedal travel too short,just cut my spacer down another few mm!

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:12 pm
by m-dtech
eko wrote:
DanThe wrote:Too much pedal travel eko. It needs to move more fluid IMO, so a larger bore master cylinder is what im on the lookout for.
Is an E30 master cyl much bigger than the one your using now(Clio)?
see above pics.

id say it was 3" smaller

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:24 pm
by DanThe
Im using the standard clio master cylinder, no rods or anything needed making up to do this which is why I left it 'as is'

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:28 pm
by m-dtech
DanThe wrote:Im using the standard clio master cylinder, no rods or anything needed making up to do this which is why I left it 'as is'
mibby something to do with the rod that attaches to the brake pedal in the clio, must travel further ?? the master cyl looks similar size.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:04 am
by m-dtech
i fitted 25mm piece of bar to the servo, this gives me the same movement as the e30 item.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:44 am
by Toby_Unna
could one of you two (danthe/m-dtech) measure the diameter of that clio servo please!

just wondering if it might be a fraction smaller than my golf 1.3 servo. more space is always a good thing :D

thanks.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:29 pm
by DanThe
I measured it before and posted, I will have a look for the thread

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:32 pm
by DanThe
210 mm 8)

Im on the lookout for a better master cylinder to use, I dont think its moving enough fluid for the E30's brake system, maybe different on non ABS cars though.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:39 pm
by Toby_Unna
thanks Dan!

better go meaure my golf one then :D

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:24 pm
by m-dtech
DanThe wrote:210 mm 8)

Im on the lookout for a better master cylinder to use, I dont think its moving enough fluid for the E30's brake system, maybe different on non ABS cars though.
why not use the e30 master cylinder instead of the renault ?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:36 pm
by eko
m-dtech wrote: why not use the e30 master cylinder instead of the renault ?
Thats what ive done!

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:54 pm
by m-dtech
eko wrote:
m-dtech wrote: why not use the e30 master cylinder instead of the renault ?
Thats what ive done!
thats what im doing too, but i think DanThe is using the renault one ?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:59 pm
by DanThe
Tell me how yours goes together and I will decide :)

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:01 pm
by Toby_Unna
turns out the 1.3 golf servo is 200mm - so probably better to use that clio one unless space really is at a premium :D

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:32 pm
by MR_SAZ
Guys very interesting thread!!!! let us know which 25mm MC to get!!! i`m dying to here from you! i`m up to this point now in my S50b30 conversion...and was stressing!

BTW any part numbers there guys???? on the servo and MC

thanks

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:54 pm
by DanThe
I think the problem im having may be down to the ABS. Ive been 'testing' today and the pedal only sinks when the ABS kicks in.
I will do some more 'testing' tomorow with the ABS relay out.

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:21 pm
by m-dtech
DanThe wrote:Tell me how yours goes together and I will decide :)
bmw master cyl fits the clio servo if you place a piece of 25mm bar in the master cylinder then push onto the servo.

eddited as was wrong lol

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:12 am
by DanThe
:cool:

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:59 pm
by RoadHazard
Sorry for bringing this thread back.

Would the Renault servo with the stock E30 master cylinder combo interfere with the plenum on the S50? Would the Audi MC be a better choice? Or could I get away with just moving the servo/MC assembly sideway?

Re: Smaller Servo..........

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:19 pm
by penton08
i used a polo g40 servo and a audi 80 quattro 25mm master cylinder on mine. it all bolts on with no mods at all. with ok clearance with a s50 fitted. the pedal is short on the standard calipers, but should "i hope" be ok when larger calipers are fitted.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:19 am
by e30cossie
I have also been told there are 2 different types of clio servo. I was going to put a 25mm spacer but have now decided to extend the rod.

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:13 am
by DanThe
There are, the early ones are no good (steel wing cars) you need the servo of the later plastic winged cars