E30 Zone

Right firstly to the Mods this isn't up for sale yet and i can't think of a better place to put it really other than ramming it in e30 chat. Plus these forced induction guys no what sort of effort goes into making one.

Everyone is free to comment and put there opinion as to what is worth. The reason that i may have to sell it is that i'm a poor student that needs food more than this car, hmmm i'm starting to sound like a certain pacemaker pete.

I have done a breif'ish description then the detailed part, so what do you reckon for my ghetto setup then? It also has 10months MOT which on a car like this is definatly worth something.

Sorry for all the marketing speak that you see on the description but it may go onto ebay and thats what sells, as i know you lot know that "brake ducts which were an option on higher models" is unlikey

SALES PITCH STARTS HERE

As this is a very unique car I have done a very in depth description below, following the summary of the car. If the car still interests you after reading the summary then I suggest you read the rest.

Summary

For sale is a custom 325 turbo which started life of as a normal 2dr e30 325i until about a year ago. The car is in diamond black and has 10months MOT for your peace of mind but has just run out of tax. IÔš'm only selling this car as IÔš'm currently a student and in more need of funds then this car.

Features:

Ԛ• E30 325i in metallic diamond black (the best colour in my opinion)
Ԛ• Pop out rear windows
Ԛ• Electric Windows (fully functional)
Ԛ• Colour coded Electric Mirrors (fully functional)
Ԛ• On board computer (13 button-the best type)
Ԛ• Genuine 15Ԛâ€a Hartge Alloy wheels all with legal Perelli rubber.
Ԛ• 3.91 ratio rear differential
Ԛ• Smooth Automatic Gearbox (All gears selectable-no nasty noises)
Ԛ• Front fogs Lamps
Ԛ• Lowered suspension (Handles great but not chav look)
Ԛ• Disc brakes all round
Ԛ• Anti lock brakes (ABS, fully functional)
Ԛ• Straight six M20 engine with a custom turbocharger installation
Ԛ• A very conservative 210bhp estimate with shed loads of torque (this is estimated but I believe the real figure to be greater but donÔš't want to be accused of speaking rubbish as many eBay car power figures are)
Ԛ• 2 door
Ԛ• Facelift model so no chrome bumper nastiness
Ԛ• Shadow-line trim (or de-chromed which ever you say)
Ԛ• 10 months MOT
Ԛ• Central Locking (all from one key, fully working)
Ԛ• Manual Sunroof (slide and tilt, fully operational)
Ԛ• Smiley euro type headlights
Ԛ• Smoked front and side repeaters
Ԛ• Smoked rear lights that compliment the black car
Ԛ• Oil pressure and boost gauges mounted below the radio point.
Ԛ• 138,000 miles which if you know these engines is fairly low

This car would be best viewed because of its unique nature and personally, I want you to be completely happy with what you purchase. I wouldnÔš't buy a car off eBay myself without seeing it so I donÔš't expect you to have to. Viewing and test drives can be arranged, but no want to be top gun heroÔš's please. I also appreciate that some people may NOT be able to view and hence there is a FULL description of the car, which follows and is fairly lengthy.

So the bad bits, and bearing in mind this is an 18 year old car, there isnԚ't that many. Also I will list everything whereas some eBay users will list what they can Ԛ“rememberԚâ€a.

Ԛ• One front Lamp is damaged (drivers side about Ԛ£5-10 to replace)
Ԛ• Small ding in the leading edge of the bonnet (see pictures or links to pictures)
Ԛ• Rear arches have been done in the past and the rust is starting to come back through near the sill on the nearside (Not an MOT fail just cosmetics)
Ԛ• Both doors have a little rust at the bottom where they always go on e30Ôš's (lack of time and because it isnÔš't that offensive meant I never got round to it)
Ԛ• Rear scuttle by the towing eye has rust above it (I challenge you to find an e30 without this)
Ԛ• Dent in the boot near the BMW badge (can get tailgates for as little as a fiver if it bothers you, again photo links to the damage)
Ԛ• Loss of lacquer measuring about 15cm by 7cm on the drivers quarter panel (again something that never really bothered me, but thought you should be aware, Pic attached)
Ԛ• No radio
Ԛ• No service history Ԛ—a When I brought the car it came with no service history as it was from an army guy and apparently got lost when moving between countries etc etc. I looked over the car thoroughly and it all sounded sweet so I bought it. Since then I have kept all the receipts of expenditure that I have spent and it is quite a worrying amount. I had the car about 4 months before I decided to turbo charge it and used it daily without any problems. Since turbo charging it has covered about 1000 miles without any problems as well. (these arenÔš't bad points but IÔš'm trying to show you even without service history it has been a faultless car)
Ԛ• Drivers seat looks like a dog has eaten the cloth (prior to my ownership, but again didnÔš't bother me as your backside is on it when you are in it.)
Ԛ• Crack in the dash (the usual places that e30 dashes go)


Overall summary

You are bidding to buy a one off Bmw 325 turbo that is a pleasure to drive with lots of power and a heck of a lot of torque, which is what helps us in the real world. The car is in good condition for its age, looking very nice in diamond black after a wash and polish. It has all the usual 325 features and is a remarkably capable car. IÔš'm not after a silly amount of money for it as IÔš'm fairly strapped for cash now that IÔš'm a student and need a quickÔš'ish sale. If you imagine a normal 2dr e30 325 can fetch up to about a Ԛ£1000 and then imagine that this is a turbocharged car which I can guarantee you is a lot more fun to drive. Rear wheel drive, 210bhp, loads of torque, e30 timeless shape and good handling, what more can I say.
Well I can say quite a lot about the car so the following bit is the in-depth bit, all the good bits, all the niggles described in full detail with numerous links to pictures. IÔš'm an active member on www.e30zone.co.uk so I can always have a chat with you on there if there is anything further youÔš'd like to know or if you are just interested in e30Ôš's or turbocharging in general.
Please use the Ԛ“ask a questionԚâ€a feature, for any queries, and I should get back to you very promptly as IԚ'm always on the net.


The car in depth

This is your chance to own a one off custom built e30 325i turbo in metallic diamond black (Diamont Schwartz Metallic) arguably the best colour the e30 came in. The car started off life as a 325i not a 318i or the like so you can rest assure that the brakes and suspension are adequate to handle the horsepower. Disks all round with lots of meat still on the brake pads and disks and I even have a spare set of pads so IÔš'll throw those in for free too.

This model is the much more desirable facelift version of the e30 (87-onwards) with plastic bumpers not the nasty chrome bumpers that were pre Ôš'87. The car was produced originally in 1988 with again the more desirable 2 door option with pop out rear windows. The car in standard 325i trim produces 171bhp and a fair amount of torque due to the large engine capacity enough to scare most new production cars and bare in mind this is all pre turbo. It was fitted with an autobox from the factory and this is still on the car today and works extremely well combined with the turbo. The good thing about autos is that they donÔš't get laboured all their life, which makes for a more reliable and peaceful engine.

This car has 10 months MOT for you peace of mind, with the MOTÔš'er actually commenting on how good it was for an 18 year old car. It sailed straight through and has the new type MOT certificate that is on A4 printed paper rather than the old style A5 ones. Unfortunately the tax runs out in Jan Ôš'06 so youÔš'll need to re-tax it shortly.

Other car features are central locking that works on both doors, boot and the fuel cap lock with 1 key, not several keys as you see on some BMWÔš's. The ignition key is also the same as the doors. ABS which works without problems (i.e. the light comes on when you turn the ignition on, goes off when the car is started and remains off, the abs actually works well no hesitating and does its job very effectively) The front two wheels have independent sensors which means if the front left wheel is on gravel and the right front is on tarmac you still get the full braking effect on the right front wheel of the car whilst the left front locks and unlocks the wheel very rapidly. The rear is not independent but overall itÔš's a very safe feature to have on any car. The car has electric windows that work perfectly, both windows go to the full extents and not slowly which is a common problem on the e30. The car has electric mirrors, which are colour coded to the car, not nasty faded matt black ones. It has a fully operational manual sunroof, which can tilt and slide back and is leak free. It has a 13 button OBC(on board computer) which has the following features:
Ԛ• Time
Ԛ• Date
Ԛ• Temperature (please note this is giving an incorrect reading, but is most likely the sensor itself which is cheap and easy to replace IÔš've just never felt the need for it)
Ԛ• Fuel economy (This was accurate until the turbo was installed but now itÔš's a bit inaccurate for obvious reasons, but you wonÔš't buy this car for its economy IÔš'm sure, although its not that bad)
Ԛ• How much fuel is left in the tank
Ԛ• CODE-you can enter a four digit number and this acts as an immobiliser and wonÔš't start the car till its entered
Ԛ• Stop watch

Up front the car is equipped with front fog lamps although the drivers side ideally needs replacing because itԚ's smashed but you can pick them up on eBay for a tenner or alternatively try www.e30zone.co.uk. The passenger one is spotless. Next to the fog lamps are colour coded brake ducts, which were an option on the higher models to allow cool air to reach the braking components. ItԚ's fitted with a matching pair of sought-after Ԛ“smileyԚâ€a euro look headlamps, which work on all three settings, side, dipped and main beam. No headlamp wipers and washers to go wrong on this car. The indicators are smoked at the front and the same is true of the side repeaters giving it an aggressive but at the same time subtle appearance. There is a small ding on the leading edge, drivers side of the bonnet and very small loss of paint on the corresponding wing, again this was on the car when I brought it but it does not show you have to look for it to know its there. The bonnet and all panels come to think of it, line up perfectly.

The rear of the car still has the 325i badge and standard twin exit exhaust system, so no nasty loud farting noises that you get with some stainless steel exhausts. It has got rid of the ugly standard rear light clusters and has smoked black ones, which I believe are MHW which retail at near the Ԛ£200 mark. I canÔš't confirm this as they were on the car when I purchased it but rest assured they are MOT and UK legal and they of course retain the rear fog lamps. There is a small ding in the rear boot near the BMW badge and the panel beneath has been dinged too. I have recently seen one in metallic black go for a fiver on eBay so nothing to serious if you want to get rid of that ding. See the pictures for the dings.

On the rear quarter on the driverԚ's side there is what I can only describe as a loss of lacquer on a small part of the quarter panel about 15cm by 7cm, which could easily be rectified if it bothered you greatly at a fairly insubstantial cost. The rear arches have rusted in the past and they have been filled and sprayed with a very small colour difference but you have to be looking hard to spot it. There is a small crack appearing in the filler. All e30Ԛ's if you know these cars have rusty rear arches whether its covered by an M-Tec kit or not so this is a fairly common repair. The rust will eventually come back and it is doing so where the passenger arch joins up with the sill BUT this is no-where near an MOT fail and the MOTԚ'er didnԚ't even comment on it. ItԚ's just a visual thing that I think I should make you aware of where many eBay sellers will Ԛ“overlook.Ԛâ€a


The car is sitting on extremely and I do mean extremely rare genuine 15Ԛâ€a hartge wheels. These wheels were NOT available in the UK and they were fitted to the extremely rare 318is hartge cars that were in Germany. The benefit of these is the chances are you wonԚ't ever see another set so it gives the car a bit of subtle individuality. These hartge wheels are usually available in 16Ԛâ€a but these are a genuine set of 15Ԛâ€as. A further benefit that many will overlook is that 16Ԛâ€a tyres are very expensive to buy whereas 15Ԛâ€a tyres are very cheap in comparison. They are currently fitted with:

On the front 2 x Pirelli p600 with tyre size 205/55r15 v rated both with legal treads.
On the rear 2 x Pirelli p6000 asymmetrical tyres 205/55r15v rated both with legal treads.

So thatÔš's it as far as the exterior of the car is concerned now lets get to the interesting bitԚ…the engine and the turbo that is powering it.

Engine and custom Turbocharger Explanation

All work has been carried out by me, my old man and my brother who are all avid petrol heads. The engine in standard trim is a straight 6 engine (m20b25 engine code) sitting front to back with the exhaust on the driverÔš's side and the inlet on the passenger side. This is the later 325i engine which in a project like this benefits from lower compression than the early lump. This means that it can take higher boost levels without detonating which will kill an engine. In standard trim these engines produce 171bhp from the factory but you can expect to have lost about 5-8 bhp of that over the 18 years ItÔš's been about but donÔš't worry the turbocharger more than makes up for that ;)

Manifold

I used a log type manifold off a 525 turbo diesel, this required extensive work to make it fit correctly as on a 525 the turbo sits below the manifold for my 325i it needed to sit on top so the bolt holes all had to be re drilled and filed. This was a very time consuming part and I wouldnÔš't like to have to do it again. Two new manifold gaskets and all new bolts and nuts were used so it doesnÔš't leak and you wonÔš't have the problem of snapping exhaust manifold bolts (this is a serious problem on M20Ôš's and involves removing the head to solve the problem properly).

Turbo

The turbo is again off the five series diesel but the three sections had to be re-arranged (called clocking) to make sure that the oil feed was at the top and the return at the bottom which was another time consuming process. This turbo spools up very very quickly but can maintain more than adequate levels of boost all the way up to the red line without complaint. A custom mount had to be made out of box steel to hold the wastegate actuator which controls boost levels. Its set at a modest 7psi which I think gives plenty of performance but at the same time offers good reliability without the risk of blowing the headgasket. YouÔš'll see 7psi (so full boost at the current setting) at about 1950rpm which makes for an extremely capable and very torquey car, but can still pull that 7psi all the way to the redline.


Oil supply and return to the turbo

The supply for the turbo is taken from the oil pressure switch, so this has been removed, but donÔš't worry there is now an oil pressure gauge instead which are much more reliable and give an earlier indication of any possible arising problems. The oil then feeds through a restrictor so that it doesnÔš't blow the seals of the turbo and gives the flexibility to vary oil that the turbo receives if you decide this is necessary. There is a small oil leak (occasional drop) from the t pieces around where we have tapped off the oil for the turbo but itÔš's just a case of tightening up the connections IÔš'm sure.

The return from the turbo is taken from the bottom of the turbo and taken straight to the oil pan using gravity to achieve this just as in a conventional factory turbo car. To do this the sump had to come off as we needed to drill into it and could risk and metal fillings in the oil! They are a pain to get off are m20 sumps so thatÔš's another job you wonÔš't have to do as we replaced the sump gasket and used sealer as you should when we took the pan off.

Intercooler

This was off a big diesel Pajero and as you can see from the pictures is mounted behind the driversԚ' headlights, this actually gets a surprising amount of air flow over it, and you could of course remove the main beam light to gain even more if you feel it necessary but then it may lose the Ԛ“sleeperԚâ€a look.

Extra Fuel

Obviously with the extra air that is being forced into the engine you require more fuel. The motronic obviously canÔš't suddenly learn that there is now a turbo on the engine so you have to do some of its job for it. Bigger 535 petrol injectors were used to allow more fuel to flow but this on its own is not enough. We used a Vortech Fuel management unit to supply the extra fuel that is required when under boost. ItÔš's a 12 : 1 ratio which means when it sees (through a vacuum source) boost about 4 psi to be precise it increases fuel pressure by a further 12 psi for every psi of boost it sees after the 4 psi threshold. You may be thinking what about at idle, surely it will over fuel with the larger injectors and to some extent this is true and doesnÔš't have the extremely smooth idle that M20Ôš's are renown for but its not bad once its warm. What we have done is adjust the airflow meter to trick the ECU into thinking less air is going in so it injects less fuel. This works well and gives you a high level of accurate idle adjustability.

Performance

Well IԚ've never had it dynoԚ'ed as I havenԚ't got round to it and autoboxes do not really like dynos as they tend to overheat as there is insufficient airflow over the auto box radiator. I think an extremely conservative estimate would be about 200bhp and a whole shed load of torque which really makes it a pleasure to drive. ItԚ's easily as fast as a calibra turbo without doubt and the fact you are not in a Vauxhall is another added bonus! ItԚ'll do 0-60 in 6.5 secs which may not sound blisteringly fast but itԚ's the autobox that slows that down as you canԚ't launch it at 3k rpm for example so it bogs down. Once itԚ's going itԚ's a monster that will out perform a lot of Ԛ“sportsԚâ€a cars whilst still retaining that gorgeous straight six noise.


Performance in my opinion isnԚ't just straight line speed, its how it goes around corners and how well it stops. As already mentioned the car is lowered, IԚ'm not sure what the Ԛ“kitԚâ€a is or by how much it is lowered as it was all done prior to my ownership of the car. The lowering looks like it is 60/40 to me so it gives not only a great stance but very good handling, the body hardly rolls at all. The brakes are also very good after brake fluid change on the 20th of November 2005.

We took it to one track day which was on an airfield near trowbridge on the 21st of November and it performed brilliantly. As you can imagine track days are about as hard work as a car gets, saying that sounds like we trashed it within an inch of its life, I can promise you we didnÔš't as we knew we had to drive it back home. The car didnÔš't even get close to overheating, about 2/3rds up the temp gauge and that was only in the queue to get onto the track. The brakes performed extremely well, providing excellent stopping power from 100mph + down to 30 several times in one lap. The auto-box changed gear smooth and gives the option of holding first, second and third so you donÔš't get any messing about with it changing gear mid-corner. Third takes you up to about 107 mph so after that it is into D (drive), which puts it into its forth and final gear. It held 7 psi of boost all day long without any complaints, no pinking. It kept up with a Porsche boxter without problems and stayed heavily on the tail of a modified mr2 turbo.

All in all itÔš's a very good fun to drive even with the auto box and you are welcome to test drive it as long as youÔš're not a test pilot. Please come and look at this vehicle before bidding as its not youÔš're average 325i itÔš's a whole lot more. Please ask any question you need to and IÔš'll be more than happy to answer it.

Check what insurance group as well because its obviously going to be a bit more than your average 325. E30Ôš's are more eligible for classic insurance policies with certain companies so you may want to look at this as a possible way of insuring it. It is still a 325i on the logbook if you were wondering.

Please remember you bid to buy to come and kick the tyres

SALES PITCH ENDS HERE

Well if you managed to wade through that lot you are a bloody HERO, i'll chuck on some pictures later for you to cast your eye over. It will need careful ownership i'm sure, not someone that doesn't look under the bonnet for 3 months.

So what do you reakon its worth, a packet of tesco value crisps or and extra big pack of Mcoys? Don't be to hard of me JonB and pete.

A cookie to a person that reads that in under 10mins

OMG, that has to be one of the longest posts iv ever seen

Blimey and i thought 2 people had replied with an answer to my question that quick cheers for keeping it at the top though.

fuck me i think i've aged significantly since starting to read that

maxfield wrote:A cookie to a person that reads that in under 10mins

took me 3/4 mug of coffee..

i'll have a maryland please

Tell me you postcode and i'll send you a dry tesco value borbon that has just been discovered after christmas break at my uni halls, its all i can afford i'm afraid johnno.

Double choc or plain?

1st class mail

a very honest & in-depth description Jon.

Value is very tricky as this is the sort of car that is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay, i would have thought a very approximate valuation would be Ԛ£2500-Ԛ£3500, but you could get a "must have" punter who pays up with the goodies.

I would avoid saying you are a skint student as it just makes people think "he's on the bone of his arse, i'll make a pisch-poor offer and sweat him out"

Best of luck if you do go ahead with the sale
Lee

maxfield wrote:Double choc or plain?

1st class mail

double choc of course

Jon_Bmw wrote:Tell me you postcode and i'll send you a dry tesco value borbon that has just been discovered after christmas break at my uni halls, its all i can afford i'm afraid johnno.

sounds like my diet for the week.. got back to uni 2day with only the food yoinked from the fridge at home (crumpets, bacon and cheese )

S50 conversion comes 1st haha

A few pictures as promised, uploading pictures takes so long so you'll have to bear with me to get some more:











You can see the crack in the dash from this photo:

E30BeemerLad wrote:a very honest & in-depth description Jon.

Value is very tricky as this is the sort of car that is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay, i would have thought a very approximate valuation would be Ԛ£2500-Ԛ£3500, but you could get a "must have" punter who pays up with the goodies.

I would avoid saying you are a skint student as it just makes people think "he's on the bone of his arse, i'll make a pisch-poor offer and sweat him out"

Best of luck if you do go ahead with the sale
Lee

Well to be honest Lee i had thought the same thing, in fact i will almost definatly remove it-this is about the student comment. I'll just say i've got another poject on the go(and i may actually have soon a 200sx but don't tell them that on here )

Hmm well you value is greater than i had thought to be honest, but now the pictures are up you may or may not change your mind.

The main point has been miss out!


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I read all that, got all excited then

I so would love to have that car!

I know what you're saying fella, but rarely are the sum cost of modded parts worth their value on the vehicle.

Maybe's I was being a little harsh but my thoughts are that this is not one of the larger boost conversions, it is a diesel turbo which usually are a light pressure turbo, but good for reduced lag. However, it is a home brew conversion (although most are) and it has not done a hell of a lot of mileage since the conversion so is it really reliable? and by his own admissions there is some bodywork needed and a scabby interior.

That's the way I view the car

E30BeemerLad wrote:I know what you're saying fella, but rarely are the sum cost of modded parts worth their value on the vehicle.

Maybe's I was being a little harsh but my thoughts are that this is not one of the larger boost conversions, it is a diesel turbo which usually are a light pressure turbo, but good for reduced lag. However, it is a home brew conversion (although most are) and it has not done a hell of a lot of mileage since the conversion so is it really reliable? and by his own admissions there is some bodywork needed and a scabby interior.

That's the way I view the car

No i think you misunderstood me i was thinking you gave a generous indication of its value, more than i thought it was worth because of the reasons i and you have stated:

It's a fairly low boost set for quick response time.
The bodywork isn't the best
Especially that lacquer loss on the quarter panel

Perhaps i'm a pessimist?

stevetigger wrote:The main point has been miss out!


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I read all that, got all excited then

I so would love to have that car!

Steve the clue was in the title, "How Much is my 325 turbo worth"

I don't really know what its worth, thats why i'm asking but as Lee says its a bit specialist to put a "book" price on and it'll be worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

I bet c76jon could bring it back to former glory if you want to sell

Jon_Bmw wrote:

E30BeemerLad wrote:I know what you're saying fella, but rarely are the sum cost of modded parts worth their value on the vehicle.

Maybe's I was being a little harsh but my thoughts are that this is not one of the larger boost conversions, it is a diesel turbo which usually are a light pressure turbo, but good for reduced lag. However, it is a home brew conversion (although most are) and it has not done a hell of a lot of mileage since the conversion so is it really reliable? and by his own admissions there is some bodywork needed and a scabby interior.

That's the way I view the car

No i think you misunderstood me i was thinking you gave a generous indication of its value, more than i thought it was worth because of the reasons i and you have stated:

It's a fairly low boost set for quick response time.
The bodywork isn't the best
Especially that lacquer loss on the quarter panel

Perhaps i'm a pessimist?

No Jon - wasn't replying to your comments, there was a reply to my first post from a zoner called Massive who said he thought the parts were worth a lot and perhaps suggesting I was being a bit mean. No offence taken by the way. But his post has vanished now! Wierd!

No worries Jon - sorry I know it sounds like I am dissing your ride but just being objective, which I know you'll appreciate more at the end of the day and you don't seem disgruntled with my bablings, so it's all good really innit

I think you could probably smarten the car up for Ԛ£50 too.

Headlight Ԛ£5-Ԛ£10
Bootlid Ԛ£10
you haven't mentioned sport seats so a matching front seat could be had for Ԛ£20
This is where the likes of C76Jon may want to repeatedly hit me with a blunt instrument but... would it not be possible to attack the offending rear 1/4 panel with some very fine wet n dry or recommended sanding agent to then go over it with a can of laquer from halfrauds? could it really look any worse than it is?

There's a few less faults to find for a prospective punter and less reason to haggle you. Someone casuaully looking over your car and doing the sums in their head and not really that much in the know, may budget Ԛ£300-Ԛ£500 for putting that lot right

worth a thought

Oh right i seemed to have missed massives comments then, wierd.

Diss it away mate i want honest answers, i'm not gonna cry in the corner, it never will be anywhere mint even if c76jon had a year with it i'm sure. I do appreciate all advise.

That made me crack up with laughter about c76jon hitting you repeatably with a blunt instrument, good laugh you lot on the zone. I may try and sort it, but i do hate bodywork, me and the old man can do a fair job but as you know its the time preperation and all that.

I'll see if i can dig out a picture of this offending spot soon.

There is a small oil leak (occasional drop) from the t pieces around where we have tapped off the oil for the turbo but itÔš's just a case of tightening up the connections IÔš'm sure.

you can't write things like that!

sounds like one of those adverts where the air con is broken and the seller says 'i'm sure it just needs a re gas' - yeah right!

good advert though, lots of detail and honesty makesa all the difference. sorry no idea what its worth. all i'd say is, if you use ebay be prepared for a lot of timewasting, i can see plenty of people winning that thing then finding they can't insure it, even if you mention this in the ad.

do you really have to sell get a credit card to add to the rest of the student debt!

Toby_Unna wrote:

There is a small oil leak (occasional drop) from the t pieces around where we have tapped off the oil for the turbo but itÔš's just a case of tightening up the connections IÔš'm sure.

you can't write things like that!

sounds like one of those adverts where the air con is broken and the seller says 'i'm sure it just needs a re gas' - yeah right!

good advert though, lots of detail and honesty makesa all the difference. sorry no idea what its worth. all i'd say is, if you use ebay be prepared for a lot of timewasting, i can see plenty of people winning that thing then finding they can't insure it, even if you mention this in the ad.

do you really have to sell get a credit card to add to the rest of the student debt!

Hmm but you and i both know that any m20 engine after about 50,000miles drips tiny amounts of oil, i still think its the T piece and will have another go at tightening it further to get rid of the problem, I was trying to be totally honest but i get what you mean about the aircon re-gas thing-thats the ebay usual.

Credit card and a student loan i'm not insane yet i don't think. Timewasting on ebay is the order of the day, but as long as i don't get stitched for the listing cost i'm not to worried, i can always sponge of the parents for that little bit longer.

As promised here's a rather bad picture of the offending spot on the quarter panel, it was dark and the flash had to come on:



Come on then people what would you spend, i'm not going to bite your head off with any suggestions as long as you back them up .

Also any ideas on what I could do with this offendind spot on the rear quarter would be appriciated?

I would start bidding at Ԛ£2500

What reg is it?? Does it say in the sale pitch??

you could not build this car for under 3K so thats the bargain basement IMHO

now someone buy it, megasquirt it and enjoy it , all the "hard" works been done for you

stevetigger wrote:I would start bidding at Ԛ£2500

What reg is it?? Does it say in the sale pitch??

Errm i think it does someone say in there, yeah it does, originally produced in 1988 and it is registered on the corresponding F plate, I may just have to stick it on ebay in about a month and see how it goes.

What does everyone think about advertising on ebay, personally its not my favourite choice but because with a car like this you need an in-depth explanation to go with it or you just won't get the response in my opinion. Its to "different" for autotrader and the local rags i suppose once i've got it into the shape i want for the next owner here on the zone might not be a bad bet.

ant wrote:you could not build this car for under 3K so thats the bargain basement IMHO

now someone buy it, megasquirt it and enjoy it , all the "hard" works been done for you

Thanks for you kind words, I agree the next step for this car is to get it running a full standalone engine management, this i'm sure will undoubtably release my ponies and get that A/F spot on. All that said it runs fine at the moment, a tad on the rich side(safe side) but agree with ant the next step is megasquirt to reap all the benifits of a turbocharged car.

But as Ant and some others know i can't afford to put megaquirt on it, I would love the challenge of it if nothing else, plus the added benefit of full customization

Any more opionions, lots of views, few people willing to put there neck out on the line i see, to be honest i'd be the same. Ant can i add a poll with price brackets so that people give their price estimation without being known?

Jon_Bmw wrote:

stevetigger wrote:I would start bidding at Ԛ£2500

What reg is it?? Does it say in the sale pitch??

Errm i think it does someone say in there, yeah it does, originally produced in 1988 and it is registered on the corresponding F plate, I may just have to stick it on ebay in about a month and see how it goes.

What does everyone think about advertising on ebay, personally its not my favourite choice but because with a car like this you need an in-depth explanation to go with it or you just won't get the response in my opinion. Its to "different" for autotrader and the local rags i suppose once i've got it into the shape i want for the next owner here on the zone might not be a bad bet.

I stuck my neck out!

I loved reading through the ad fella, very convincing and clear.

I would say in the region of Ԛ£4k (minimum) would be a fair price, its difficult to estimate a price when the car has been so modded, but for the skilled driver that price wouldn't be too much as it is the pleasure of driving it what counts.

A minus in my opinion is the auto box, as I like to give it a wack through the gears, but then that is just my opinion.

Good luck with the sale dude

Jose

This is a very difficult car to value, the biggest problem is it is an auto , that significantly reduces your cars appeal to victims. I love autos and my every day turds are virtually all big engined lazy automatics, but most heroes and cock action types want manuals.
The other issue i would say is that the car looks unfinished and lacking in detail ,ie the conversion looks 'homemade' ( which of course it is!) the interior shot is not very inspiring either with the undertray missing , the stereo M.I.A ,and shame on you ,a scotchlock on display !. Even if you find a victim the look of 'work in progress ' might scare him off.
Don't get me wrong , i reckon you are a hero and respect is due but if you need to cash the car you have to make it at least look finished and sorted (please get rid of that council vectra (?) breather !).
In its current state i reckon you would struggle to get Ԛ£15/1600, if you sort out the dash and the under bonnet issues and oil leaks maybe at a push Ԛ£2500.
I personally reckon ebay would be a good place to advertise a car like this , where else can you post so many pics and give a detailed description for a tenner. Yes you will get lots of cocks and losers but such is the joy of selling modified turds !

pacerpete wrote:This is a very difficult car to value, the biggest problem is it is an auto , that significantly reduces your cars appeal to victims. I love autos and my every day turds are virtually all big engined lazy automatics, but most heroes and cock action types want manuals.
The other issue i would say is that the car looks unfinished and lacking in detail ,ie the conversion looks 'homemade' ( which of course it is!) the interior shot is not very inspiring either with the undertray missing , the stereo M.I.A ,and shame on you ,a scotchlock on display !. Even if you find a victim the look of 'work in progress ' might scare him off.
Don't get me wrong , i reckon you are a hero and respect is due but if you need to cash the car you have to make it at least look finished and sorted (please get rid of that council vectra (?) breather !).
In its current state i reckon you would struggle to get Ԛ£15/1600, if you sort out the dash and the under bonnet issues and oil leaks maybe at a push Ԛ£2500.
I personally reckon ebay would be a good place to advertise a car like this , where else can you post so many pics and give a detailed description for a tenner. Yes you will get lots of cocks and losers but such is the joy of selling modified turds !

A fairly tame response from the pacemaker himself, you must have read the start of the thread well. Sharp eyes about the breather, it is indeed a cav/vectra one. I could have always left the broken orignal breather pipe in there and no one would have been any the wiser...

The dash undertray is in with the car, just not in that photo, because of routing the boost guage pipe through if my memory serves me correct.

MIA radio, is a pain in the arse, makes the interior look worse than it is.

Your valuation if i'm totally honest is what I would have put it at, are you suprised, surely you would have expected some sh!t back like "you don't knwo what you are talking about" but no i think you are spot on.

If it were manual and god i wish it was i think maybe the price would increase to 2 G, because then it would be an ideal track weapon. I will be sorting out the oil leak next week and other odds and sods.

Also what do you mean be scotchlock, thats the one bit i don't understand from your otherwise fairly accurate(in my eyes) valuation. Cheers peter for being honest, i'm sure you could have been more harsh though, but thanks for holding back

Jon

Also what do you mean be scotchlock, thats the one bit i don't understand from your otherwise fairly accurate(in my eyes) valuation. Cheers peter for being honest, i'm sure you could have been more harsh though, but thanks for holding back


he means the blue connector on your stereo wiring m8.

gcorky wrote:Also what do you mean be scotchlock, thats the one bit i don't understand from your otherwise fairly accurate(in my eyes) valuation. Cheers peter for being honest, i'm sure you could have been more harsh though, but thanks for holding back


he means the blue connector on your stereo wiring m8.

Yeah damn nasty things that they are.

Yes scotchlocks!, they belong in the auto electrical hall of shame with lucar bullet connectors and clifford alarms
It is refreshing to find a hero that realises that spending Ԛ£2000 on his car doesn't add Ԛ£2000 to the price.
If you are a real hero i can sell you ALL the bits to convert it to manual for Ԛ£250, the donor car is still running.
Best of luck whatever way you go.