E30 Zone

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=11354

put that in the wrong section i fink

any one know have it works on a e30?

im sure its been done before

and i think someone here has an e30 nos,d up sure they will spot ya thread and reply soon

have you checked in the tech section??
or highly modded section maybe Daz leeds

novakiller wrote:http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=11354

put that in the wrong section i fink

any one know have it works on a e30?

Dale has 125bhp of NOS on his 2.7 now.......runs through a controller too. Also Craigeb has 75bhp NOS on his 2.5......seems tho the M20's can take it easy....but what happens when the bottle runs out.....

and daryll nos'd his m3 e30

i had 75bhp on my old etX! yes the same one that then had the s/c

fozzymonster wrote:

novakiller wrote:http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... ic&t=11354

put that in the wrong section i fink

any one know have it works on a e30?

Also Craigeb has 75bhp NOS on his 2.5......seems tho the M20's can take it easy....but what happens when the bottle runs out.....

you go and get it filled again , yeah it can get pricey but some of the looks on peopls faces make it all worth while,


novakiller.... you thinking about sticking a kit on? if so what sort of kit were you thinking about? and what engine will it be going on to? if you neeed any info just give me a shout, and i'll help all i can

nos works well on these engines and a wet high power 50hp kit is all you need,

Could the people calling Nitrous Oxide, NOS please explain what they mean when they say NOS.

they have been watch fast/furious mate -lol

dazleeds wrote:they have been watch fast/furious mate -lol

no no no no it's 2 fast 2 furious, keep up with the time's man

Its the most popular brand of mitrus oxide kit......


NOS= Nitrus Oxide
just like

Hoover = Vacum Cleaner (ask ya gf's theyll know wot i mean lol)

One of my mates runs nitrous on his 318i! He might have a spare set up for sale soon for around Ԛ£200 if anyones interested I can let him know.

damn, this has to be one of the oldest thread's to be resurrected

what sort of kit is it?? it's a damn good price Ԛ£200, seing as i payed just on the shy end of 600 for mine

craigieeb wrote:damn, this has to be one of the oldest thread's to be resurrected

what sort of kit is it?? it's a damn good price Ԛ£200, seing as i payed just on the shy end of 600 for mine

old!!

more like prehistoric like the use of nitrous but i love it!!!

you still running nitrous kos?

iv got 400 psi sat in the bottle and cant use it coz the engine's fecked, the amount of times iv had to stop my self just flicking that switch

still using it, putting 50hp on th the IS, sould work wel being a twin cam and well breathing engine!!

m3 will still run it just for the hell of it!!
i was using it befor the film like F&F, mate of mine are int drag racing so a nos kit was my first ever mod on my 1.2 nova!!

good stuff, the IS should like it, like you say it's a good breather,
can't wait to try it out on the M50 i think i might drop it down to about 50 60, just so the engine get's used to it, then take it up to about 85/90, and drop some cam's in there

should be fun

craigieeb wrote:good stuff, the IS should like it, like you say it's a good breather,
can't wait to try it out on the M50 i think i might drop it down to about 50 60, just so the engine get's used to it, then take it up to about 85/90, and drop some cam's in there

should be fun

i was always cautious of going more than 50 on a "street" with standard bottom end, did but 100 direct hit on a tech1 sport once, good fun but clutch didnt like either.

its a single fogger kit with a 2 stage controller! comes with 25bhp jets (can get bigger if need be)
im waiting back to hear from my buddy who does me good prices on kits but i will let ya know when i hear back from him!

ad318i wrote:Its the most popular brand of mitrus oxide kit......


NOS= Nitrus Oxide
just like

Hoover = Vacum Cleaner (ask ya gf's theyll know wot i mean lol)

although sadly its also a SHIT brand of nitrous oxide kit!


Nobody in the uk should even consider buying a cheap and nasty yank kit when they can get a properly made UK kit for pretty much the same money due to the import taxes etc on the yank wank.

www.noswizard.com


Ive not fitted it on an E30 yet, but on other engines ive seen as much as 100% increases in power perfectly reliably.

chip-3door wrote:

ad318i wrote:Its the most popular brand of mitrus oxide kit......


NOS= Nitrus Oxide
just like

Hoover = Vacum Cleaner (ask ya gf's theyll know wot i mean lol)

although sadly its also a SHIT brand of nitrous oxide kit!


Nobody in the uk should even consider buying a cheap and nasty yank kit when they can get a properly made UK kit for pretty much the same money due to the import taxes etc on the yank wank.

www.noswizard.com


Ive not fitted it on an E30 yet, but on other engines ive seen as much as 100% increases in power perfectly reliably.

ooo i dunno about that like, coldfusion seems the way to go,
the widard of noz kits seem cheaply made for some reson, the cold fusion uses braded hoses thruout the system and the solenoids are far better than the wizard's solenoids, and evan the fogger nozzle is made diffrently so when the nitrous and petrol come out the fogger it make's a better mix, which can only be better for the engine, rather than one cylinder getting more nitrous/petrol than the others, which can only lead to destruction

craigieeb wrote:

chip-3door wrote:

ad318i wrote:Its the most popular brand of mitrus oxide kit......


NOS= Nitrus Oxide
just like

Hoover = Vacum Cleaner (ask ya gf's theyll know wot i mean lol)

although sadly its also a SHIT brand of nitrous oxide kit!


Nobody in the uk should even consider buying a cheap and nasty yank kit when they can get a properly made UK kit for pretty much the same money due to the import taxes etc on the yank wank.

www.noswizard.com


Ive not fitted it on an E30 yet, but on other engines ive seen as much as 100% increases in power perfectly reliably.

ooo i dunno about that like, coldfusion seems the way to go,
the widard of noz kits seem cheaply made for some reson, the cold fusion uses braded hoses thruout the system and the solenoids are far better than the wizard's solenoids, and evan the fogger nozzle is made diffrently so when the nitrous and petrol come out the fogger it make's a better mix, which can only be better for the engine, rather than one cylinder getting more nitrous/petrol than the others, which can only lead to destruction

i've always used highpower kits aka wizards of nos,
their kit may not be as flashy as these newboys jumbing on nthe band wagon in the last few years to bake a quick dollar or two

the only way the can get your munnt is by using flashy trimmings such ar braided hoses etc to grab you attention

go to santa pod on any drag racing meet (a proper one not a run what you brung) and the racers will all be using either NOS/NX nitrous express or high power not the other gimmic crap such as cold fusion.

iv used and owned the wizard of noz kit before and i had to get rid of it, it was just too puney and it did't live upto it's name, it never give off as much of a hit as the coldfusion kit i have now



wizard of noz is crap!!


bitch fight,

but on a serious note, it could be the jetting affecting the hit and the length of the hoses from soleniods to jet!!

also, you've worked it out, the WoN do infact give a "softer"hit compared to the other kits, but they are designed for street cars where it is advisable to not go too silly with the power you want!! this also heps your clutch dox diff and engine

craigieeb wrote:

chip-3door wrote:

ad318i wrote:Its the most popular brand of mitrus oxide kit......


NOS= Nitrus Oxide
just like

Hoover = Vacum Cleaner (ask ya gf's theyll know wot i mean lol)

although sadly its also a SHIT brand of nitrous oxide kit!


Nobody in the uk should even consider buying a cheap and nasty yank kit when they can get a properly made UK kit for pretty much the same money due to the import taxes etc on the yank wank.

www.noswizard.com


Ive not fitted it on an E30 yet, but on other engines ive seen as much as 100% increases in power perfectly reliably.

ooo i dunno about that like, coldfusion seems the way to go,
the widard of noz kits seem cheaply made for some reson, the cold fusion uses braded hoses thruout the system and the solenoids are far better than the wizard's solenoids, and evan the fogger nozzle is made diffrently so when the nitrous and petrol come out the fogger it make's a better mix, which can only be better for the engine, rather than one cylinder getting more nitrous/petrol than the others, which can only lead to destruction

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning for thinking that the solenoids are better!

Wizard kits come with a choice of lines, but whenever possible its far better to use the nylon ones, they cause less phase change and waste less nitrous.

craigieeb wrote:iv used and owned the wizard of noz kit before and i had to get rid of it, it was just too puney and it did't live upto it's name, it never give off as much of a hit as the coldfusion kit i have now



wizard of noz is crap!!


bitch fight,

Lol, if thats true (the puney bit, wizards kits ALWAYS make more torque than any other make for the same jetting as they are the only kits that manage phase change properly) you had something SERIOUS wrong with your instalation!

Although a tiny bit softer initial hit is a benefit anyway, less likely to break traction and kinder on engine components, both meaning you can run MORE power safely.

cold fusion solenoids are just bog standard industrial gas solenoids, they arent even designed for nitrous use!

They have multiple changes of direction instead of just 1 within them, cant pulse reliabley for long periods of time for progressive operation, they are far heavier and they have internal changes in diamter that result in phase changes.

Utter fucking litter, comparing that to a wizards of nos solenoid is like comparing a lada to an M3!


You surely must have been smoking crack cocaine to think that those are better than the wizards of nos pulsoids?

chip-3door wrote:

craigieeb wrote:

chip-3door wrote: although sadly its also a SHIT brand of nitrous oxide kit!


Nobody in the uk should even consider buying a cheap and nasty yank kit when they can get a properly made UK kit for pretty much the same money due to the import taxes etc on the yank wank.

www.noswizard.com


Ive not fitted it on an E30 yet, but on other engines ive seen as much as 100% increases in power perfectly reliably.

ooo i dunno about that like, coldfusion seems the way to go,
the widard of noz kits seem cheaply made for some reson, the cold fusion uses braded hoses thruout the system and the solenoids are far better than the wizard's solenoids, and evan the fogger nozzle is made diffrently so when the nitrous and petrol come out the fogger it make's a better mix, which can only be better for the engine, rather than one cylinder getting more nitrous/petrol than the others, which can only lead to destruction

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning for thinking that the solenoids are better!

Wizard kits come with a choice of lines, but whenever possible its far better to use the nylon ones, they cause less phase change and waste less nitrous.

ok then, i'v had the solenoins sat side by side and taken them to bit's the wizard of noz one's looked like they were just lashed together with cheap part's, and the coldfusion one's seemed like it had been build for a purpose, (if you know what i mean) looked right for the job,

and using nylon line's there prone to poping, do some scouring about and you will find story's of the horrors people have had with the wizard of noz's cheap plasic line's

chip-3door wrote:

craigieeb wrote:iv used and owned the wizard of noz kit before and i had to get rid of it, it was just too puney and it did't live upto it's name, it never give off as much of a hit as the coldfusion kit i have now



wizard of noz is crap!!


bitch fight,

Lol, if thats true (the puney bit, wizards kits ALWAYS make more torque than any other make for the same jetting as they are the only kits that manage phase change properly) you had something SERIOUS wrong with your instalation!

Although a tiny bit softer initial hit is a benefit anyway, less likely to break traction and kinder on engine components, both meaning you can run MORE power safely.

heheheee

there was nothing wrong with the install, trust me, all jetting was set up correct and bottle in the right posision, it just wasn't enought to satisfy my need's mate, the coldfusion im running now is set up exactly the same way and is 110% better, (well 100%)


coldfusion all the way

craigieeb wrote:

chip-3door wrote:

craigieeb wrote: ooo i dunno about that like, coldfusion seems the way to go,
the widard of noz kits seem cheaply made for some reson, the cold fusion uses braded hoses thruout the system and the solenoids are far better than the wizard's solenoids, and evan the fogger nozzle is made diffrently so when the nitrous and petrol come out the fogger it make's a better mix, which can only be better for the engine, rather than one cylinder getting more nitrous/petrol than the others, which can only lead to destruction

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning for thinking that the solenoids are better!

Wizard kits come with a choice of lines, but whenever possible its far better to use the nylon ones, they cause less phase change and waste less nitrous.

ok then, i'v had the solenoins sat side by side and taken them to bit's the wizard of noz one's looked like they were just lashed together with cheap part's, and the coldfusion one's seemed like it had been build for a purpose, (if you know what i mean) looked right for the job,

and using nylon line's there prone to poping, do some scouring about and you will find story's of the horrors people have had with the wizard of noz's cheap plasic line's

I would love to know what qualifies you to comment on what was cheap inside the solenoid, they are custom made of billet aluminium, proper sexy bit of enginering, to the untrained eye the fact the plunger is about a ffith of the weight might make the others look more solid, but when you think about the fact that during pulsing that plunger contacts the seat 20 times a second do you really want it to be heavy and smash the seat to pieces?
Thats why the american solenoids on average last 6 minutes of pulsed operation before needing attention where as ive had a wizards set for 6 yeras in regular use and they are fine still!
The only time the lines are at risk is from chaifing, and thats an instalation issue, they are MORE resistant to fire than the braided ones and have a higher burst pressure too, they are also capable of going round much tighter radius's too.

The wizards nylon line is NOT normal industrial line and is specially made JUST for them, its not used by anyone else in the world, people sometimes replace it with normal hydraulic hose that looks the same but is NOT, and this is what then leads to problems.

The older lines for many years ago before wizards of nos were in a position financially to have their own hose made (you need to buy a minimum of 10 kilometers at a time!) was indeed not espeically good, but the blue main feed pipe they have been using for several years now is absoultely awesome stuff!

craigieeb wrote:

chip-3door wrote:

craigieeb wrote:iv used and owned the wizard of noz kit before and i had to get rid of it, it was just too puney and it did't live upto it's name, it never give off as much of a hit as the coldfusion kit i have now



wizard of noz is crap!!


bitch fight,

Lol, if thats true (the puney bit, wizards kits ALWAYS make more torque than any other make for the same jetting as they are the only kits that manage phase change properly) you had something SERIOUS wrong with your instalation!

Although a tiny bit softer initial hit is a benefit anyway, less likely to break traction and kinder on engine components, both meaning you can run MORE power safely.

heheheee

there was nothing wrong with the install, trust me, all jetting was set up correct and bottle in the right posision, it just wasn't enought to satisfy my need's mate, the coldfusion im running now is set up exactly the same way and is 110% better, (well 100%)


coldfusion all the way

Do you even know the basics like what phase change is or what causes it or anything at all about designing and installing nitrous systems for cars?

Im guessing not!

Give me just ONE technical reason that the coldfusion solenoid is better?

They are heavier, slower to operate, wear out sooner, dont work as well and draw more current.


Thats LOTS of reason they are worse, can you give me just one reason why they are better?

this is getting a bit out of hand now!!

as i said go to the pod, and look mat what the racers use, highpower wizards kits, NOS or NX


says it all realy

most other brands have jumped on the band wagon since the bollocks film F&F, producing chaep kits to make a qkuick $$

high power for me always

Kos wrote:this is getting a bit out of hand now!!

as i said go to the pod, and look mat what the racers use, highpower wizards kits, NOS or NX


says it all realy

most other brands have jumped on the band wagon since the bollocks film F&F, producing chaep kits to make a qkuick $$

high power for me always

Lots of racers use NOS/NX because they dont understand enough to know why highpower (AKA wizards of nos) kits are better, or because they already have yank kits from ages ago or that came on the car etc, so its cheaper to keep them.

while i agree that highpower are the best kits, i wouldnt make that decision on what others are using, i would make it on technical merit.

I see more fiesta XR2's doing trackdays than mclaren F1's but thats not a reason to suspect its a better car for trackdays!

chip-3door wrote:

Kos wrote:this is getting a bit out of hand now!!

as i said go to the pod, and look mat what the racers use, highpower wizards kits, NOS or NX


says it all realy

most other brands have jumped on the band wagon since the bollocks film F&F, producing chaep kits to make a qkuick $$

high power for me always

Lots of racers use NOS/NX because they dont understand enough to know why highpower (AKA wizards of nos) kits are better, or because they already have yank kits from ages ago or that came on the car etc, so its cheaper to keep them.

while i agree that highpower are the best kits, i wouldnt make that decision on what others are using, i would make it on technical merit.

I see more fiesta XR2's doing trackdays than mclaren F1's but thats not a reason to suspect its a better car for trackdays!

the fieste mclaren f1 comparison is a bit pointless, thats more a financial issue, not one based on technical merit!!

nos kits were onriginally designed for big yank engines, they have now developet kits for "imports" eg jap crap, but they are very very good kits, they have been doinf them for 30 plus years and you cannot critisize the holley brand, their product are some of the best, or for nx couldnt comment as i've never used them but they have been around for ages too and have heared good things.

now high power aka wizards of nos, uk developed for the types of cars we have, their build quality is very very good and is what i would use and recomend.

you can make a judgement on what some one else uses, and on the drag strip where it counts and been developed, thats very important. there has to be a reason why they use NOS kits and systems and its not because of their ignorance it because it works!! and for financial reasons i will dissagree, its only a maximum of Ԛ£1000 for a direct port kit with progresive controler, and the money these guys spend its not a lot

BUT chip, i am with you on the cold fusion/high power issue

hight power developed their kit from scratch and i works bloody well.

People use NOS kits because NOS pay all the top racers to use their kits, even some of the top racers who have wizards of nos kits have NOS logos on the side of their cars in fact!

Then because the top cars have NOS written on them people think it must work and buy the same, it genuinely IS based on ignorance of how superior the WoN kits are.

You say "the nos kits are good because they work", but they dont, not reliabley!

Holley themselves recomed a solenoid rebuild every 6 minutes (six fucking minutes, not 6 years, 6 fucking minutes!) of pulsed use, and they also recomend a second "protection solenoid" because they acknowledge the risk of failure is so high!
wizards of nos solenoids by comparison come with a lifetime warranty!


The america stuff is RUBBISH, but its rubbish people have been using for years and hence are slow to change.

VHS was VERY popular in the late 90s despite DVD being out, but which would you sooner use now?


Anyway will all be acedemic when WoN release their smooth progressive solenoids later this year as even the most idiotic person brainwashed by the marketting wouldnt argue NOS have anything that compres with those!



McDonalds is the biggest and most popular restaurant chain in the world, their product works (you can eat it), it doesnt make it any good though!