E30 Zone

few guys were asking for some pics of the project, want to sell up to be honest as i haven't got the money to carry this on and run a business at the same time. here ya go....

[/img]three sisters,sort of!

looking good mate,last pic is on east park road wright

yep,last pic is on roseberry street! opp the gurdwara...i will upload a few more pics

Is it a genuine Hartge M30 engine or just a couple of bolt on twinkets? i.e rocker cover.

This is a genuine engine, seen it myself.

Project looks good, look forward to the updates

bmwsport wrote:Is it a genuine Hartge M30 engine or just a couple of bolt on twinkets? i.e rocker cover.

nah its the real thing bud

this is the ecu out the car

Keep it, don't sell it yet, you've only finished it, drive the car around for a while, you'll change your mind.

What did Hartge do to the engine? do you know what power they push out?

Rav335uk wrote:
Keep it, don't sell it yet, you've only finished it, drive the car around for a while, you'll change your mind.

i seen him today rav been telling him the same thing

i think this one is 240bhp....not a hartge nut so i don't exactly know for sure,cam has defo been changed and the ecu mapped by them,as for other mods i don't know for sure,the pistons looked like non standard items when i had the head off it. but i'm sure somebody on here knows exactly what went into the hartge engines. did anybody like what i did with the rocker cover? i tried to make the engine bay a little brighter than the normal black finish...

do you know what power they push out?

They have high comp pistons, chipped ecu, cam etc... 240bhp

ImysE30 wrote:Project looks good, look forward to the updates

still won't be as powerful as yours imy! but it still has the sentimental value in my heart...i do love this and i think rav and indy have persuaded me to keep it! i would love to do kore to it,so now i'm just putting it away in storage until i restore the old girl to her former glory.

kieranbusak9 wrote:

ImysE30 wrote:Project looks good, look forward to the updates

still won't be as powerful as yours imy! but it still has the sentimental value in my heart...i do love this and i think rav and indy have persuaded me to keep it! i would love to do kore to it,so now i'm just putting it away in storage until i restore the old girl to her former glory.

Well you certainly don't see many Hartge M30 engine's around, will be worth it in the long run for sure

Just keep at it and don't lose hope, plenty of help available on here

Good man, you know it makes sense to keep it for now.
See you Saturday

heres what the piston tops looked like when staley_turbo and myself took the head off for the first time

staley_turbo wrote:

do you know what power they push out?

They have high comp pistons, chipped ecu, cam etc... 240bhp

'fraid not.

Hartge H5 conversion of the M30B35 consisted of a remaped ECU, camshaft, Hartge headgasket, valve cover, exhaust system and on LHD cars a six branch manifold.

No high comp pistons.

bss325i wrote:

staley_turbo wrote:

do you know what power they push out?

They have high comp pistons, chipped ecu, cam etc... 240bhp

'fraid not.

Hartge H5 conversion of the M30B35 consisted of a remaped ECU, camshaft, Hartge headgasket, valve cover, exhaust system and on LHD cars a six branch manifold.

No high comp pistons.

this one definately had the six branch but it wouldn't fit the e30 chassis...thanks for the info though, the pistons don't seem different to you bss325? the standard pistons don't usually have those angular valve cutouts,but please correct me if i'm wrong
they usually have the sort of circular cutouts on the piston tops,maybe the pistons were changed some part of its life? anybodys guess,they were in good nick though after a clean up..

The cut outs are normal, they are standard M30 Pistons.

I bet it goes well though? It has a better spec than most home brew M30 conversions.

I'm going to have to disagree, they are definitely high comp pistons in there.
Hatge used 10.5:1 compression mahle pistons.

If this is a H5 donor then 240 is correct, the pecking order sort of goes like this -

E30

H23 - 170
H26 - 190
H27 - 205
H28 - 210
H27sp - 220
H35 - 250
H36 (M3) - 350

Other models 5/6/7 series

H5s - 240
H5sp - 254
H6s - 240
H6sp - 254
H7s - 240

etc

H36 (M3) - 350

Have you seen this? it looks mental.

Yeah there is a total BMW mag feature with my H28, Ian's H27 cab and Alan's H36 M3.The basis is describing Hartge conversions as an alternative to other performance options such as Alpina. JAnuary 2010 issue iirc

Oh and we all did the shoot at Ace Cafe in London on the same day and there is a couple of group shots with all three lined up. It was a nice and warm day too!

bss325i wrote:The cut outs are normal, they are standard M30 Pistons.

I bet it goes well though? It has a better spec than most home brew M30 conversions.

it pulls very strong throughout the whole rpm range,the sound when its at 2500-5000rpm is music to my ears. and i'm quite proud of my find...just glad the chap who sold me the 535 didn't have a clue what hartge meant!!

kieranbusak9 wrote:

bss325i wrote:The cut outs are normal, they are standard M30 Pistons.

I bet it goes well though? It has a better spec than most home brew M30 conversions.

it pulls very strong throughout the whole rpm range,the sound when its at 2500-5000rpm is music to my ears. and i'm quite proud of my find...just glad the chap who sold me the 535 didn't have a clue what hartge meant!!

Lucky bar steward

Duke137 wrote:

kieranbusak9 wrote:

bss325i wrote:The cut outs are normal, they are standard M30 Pistons.

I bet it goes well though? It has a better spec than most home brew M30 conversions.

it pulls very strong throughout the whole rpm range,the sound when its at 2500-5000rpm is music to my ears. and i'm quite proud of my find...just glad the chap who sold me the 535 didn't have a clue what hartge meant!!

Lucky bar steward

hah just reminded me of my dear old dad! he used to call me that...

staley_turbo wrote:I'm going to have to disagree, they are definitely high comp pistons in there.
Hatge used 10.5:1 compression mahle pistons.

With all due respect, wherever/whoever you are getting your info from is incorrect.

The 240bhp H5 conversion does not use forged pistons.

This is the 1988 Hartge catalouge and it out lines the details for all the conversions available at the time including the E34 H5.







Alpina used forged pistons in their 260bhp/254bhp M30B35 used in the B6,B10 and B11 models. Maybe you are confusing the two engines?

bss325i wrote:The cut outs are normal, they are standard M30 Pistons.

Wrong

H5 had a cam and ecu upgrade and a fruity zaust , the oily bits are the same as any 5/735i, M30

I know the donor car your engine came from... it was white wasn't it ?

They're not like the pistons in my M30, and with my M30B35 coming from a E32 735i auto i doubt they're anything special...

I have rebuilt a couple of m30s, and they were not standard pistons in there. Are we sure the engine is out of a 5?

kieranbusak9 wrote:this is the ecu out the car

it has an ECU from an E24

635csi
E24
M30/B35
89
0 261 200 179
Bosch Motronic M1.3

what was the donor car the engine came from ?

Steve, The late e24 635 highline used the same engine (m30b35) and management (Motronic 1.3) E32 and E34.