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Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:37 pm
by bss325i
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:38 pm
by tylerma
lower sump yes I believe they are
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:40 pm
by Dave_M3
Yep, only top parts are different. Bits that speed bumps or rocks kill are interchangable

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:10 pm
by bss325i
Thanks guys.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:14 pm
by tylerma
best thing about the IS really
it can supply the M40 with a few bits
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 pm
by Dave_M3
Ffs, It's bad enough keeping the battle fought on the boat anchor side without having to send some of the brigade to argue with M40 owners now

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:46 pm
by d6dph
Oh well done Malc, that's upset the galvanised nerds

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:07 pm
by E30Mark
Both parts of the sumps are interchangeable between the M40 & m42 lumps
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:03 am
by markus_74
Related with the thread. So, I can up grade my M40 become M42 with only change the cylinder head?
Does any one in the zone ever do that?
thanks
Markus
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:25 am
by tylerma
Dave_M3 wrote:
Ffs, It's bad enough keeping the battle fought on the boat anchor side without having to send some of the brigade to argue with M40 owners now

was only a joke dude
didnt think anyone would take the bait

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:27 am
by chu346
markus_74 wrote:Related with the thread. So, I can up grade my M40 become M42 with only change the cylinder head?
Does any one in the zone ever do that?
thanks
Markus
No! You need to change the sump too.

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:28 am
by E30Mark
markus_74 wrote:Related with the thread. So, I can up grade my M40 become M42 with only change the cylinder head?
Does any one in the zone ever do that?
thanks
Markus
More to it than that! The engine internal parts are all different, and quite a few external parts are M42 specific too. Including the exhaust etc
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:47 am
by markus_74
Which is better 6 pot 325i or 4 pot 318is??
I just change my tire with rightness size 205/55/15 (before is 185/65/14) I feel that it is under power but it is really smooth.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:55 am
by bss325i
markus_74 wrote:Which is better 6 pot 325i or 4 pot 318is??
I just change my tire with rightness size 205/55/15 (before is 185/65/14) I feel that it is under power but it is really smooth.
325i 6pot is best!

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:48 pm
by Dave_M3
tylerma wrote:Dave_M3 wrote:
Ffs, It's bad enough keeping the battle fought on the boat anchor side without having to send some of the brigade to argue with M40 owners now

was only a joke dude
didnt think anyone would take the bait

Haha, I was only really messing too to be honest. We all know the iS is the happy medium
This one is the one that will need the thread locked over, lol
Which is better 6 pot 325i or 4 pot 318is??
So Could you bascaily make an M42 (Or something abit more special

) by using a M40 block and the bits of an M42 that might have a blown bottom end with a crank, rods and pistons from something else, lol
If this is the case, it would be wicked handy as I have a M40b16 with a good block but crappy lifters and a M42 with a poor bottom end because of an oil pump problem

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:34 pm
by Kedge
Why would you want to use the M40 block with an M42 head?
Would you be able to convert the M40 block to run a timing chain?
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:38 pm
by richie_zone
You cannot make an M42 out of an M40 by just changing the Sump and head - it was a joke.
The M42 is superior in design to any other BMW engine, including current ones because it is a
unique and complex poewrtain. The reason 318iS; never rust is because they need all their strength
to contain the 1.8L 16V M42.
Also, you'll have to have your body and wheels and roof strengthened to deal with the extra torque.
Seriously.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:52 pm
by chu346
4pot=:gay:
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:56 pm
by Dave_M3
I was just thinking of it in a moment of boredom...
I have a good block from an M40 and everything else from a M42 apart from a decent block.
Wouldn't be worth the hassle, but kept me thinking for a few moments, lol.
I agree with all the strenghtening needed
A little birdie told me the iS has a much stiffer shell than a measly M40 shell, has lots of reinforcing done to the front of it appartently.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:05 pm
by tylerma
dont forget the galvanised glovebox
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:14 pm
by bss325i
richie_zone wrote:The M42 is superior in design to any other BMW engine, including current ones because it is a
unique and complex poewrtain. The reason 318iS; never rust is because they need all their strength
to contain the 1.8L 16V M42.
Also, you'll have to have your body and wheels and roof strengthened to deal with the extra torque.
Seriously.

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:17 pm
by markus_74
Does M42 has a lot of torque in low rpm like M40? I believe that M20 B25 has in low rpm
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:11 pm
by richie_zone
The M42's torque was strangled by BMW so as not to get too close to the M3.
E90 M3.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:19 am
by Dave_M3
The M40 probably might have a tiny bit more torque down low over the M42, but once it gets over 3000-4000rpm, It's bye-byes

Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:07 am
by richie_zone
The M42, especially when mated to it's true home, the special and custom 318iS shell,
was deemed too rapid for mountainous and curve-laden road nations such as the UK and Europe.
It was only actually officially 'released' by one BMW dealer near Alice Springs, Australia, where the highway
that stretched in either direction from the dealers doors, was long and straight enough that new owners wouldn't kill
themselves - going some way to alleviating BMW's conscience on the beast they had unleashed.
The Aussies soon recognized a lucrative export market for this outrageous power and quickly
started shipping them to wealthy thrill-seekers all over the world. The slack ownership standards since
then have seen power and speed drop slightly to current levels.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:00 pm
by markus_74
If I'm not wrong the M40 Torque is 85 kW (114 hp) @ 5500 165 N·m (122 ft·lbf) @ 4250 and M42 engine is 103 kW (140 PS) @ 6000 175 N·m (129 ft·lbf) @ 4500 (red line 6300)
The different is only 7 ft-lbf, I think this is very small, but I still don't understand why some people choose M42 and not M20 B25 that has a lot of more power.
Re: Are M40 and M42 sumps the same?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:20 pm
by agreen
4pot=
Front fogs on in the day is gayer , loser !