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Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:09 am
by Spankie
Hi I guess I'm not alone in finding large areas of surface rust underneath my E30 particularily along front chasis legs and was wondering best approach. I really dont fancy laying on my back appling acid based rust treatments and endless rubbing down and painting so have three alternatives in mind, ie to wire brush and:-

Apply waxoil OR paint with hamerite Or Liberally rub on grease.

Any thoughts recomendations particularly if tried and tested appreciated.

TA :)

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:18 am
by mattyb240
Wire Brush first
Pair of goggles,
Kurust Underneath, leave for 30 mins or so
Then waxoil

Just done it on my rear arches before any bubbling appears!

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:30 am
by Spankie
Thanks, have you tried this before succesfully or was it recommended you?

It actually sounds a good idea I think kurust goes off dark grey which is handy as mines met grey.

Cheers

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:41 am
by mattyb240
Mines dolphin grey, i did it a few weeks back as a bit of prevention for the winter, don't be shy with the kurust you have to really work it in, as i say wear goggles!it hurts when it gets in your eye. The kurust goes bright blue then almost black/grey. Time will tell if it is successful, but it should be to be honest.

Hope this helps,

Matt

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:50 am
by Spankie
Thanks Matt

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:25 am
by DaveD
not tried it personally but I think some on the zone recommended these people

http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html


they look professional anyway

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:52 am
by sam325is
kurust is very good. they key is to remove a large majority of the rust. wipe the surface to remove any dust and make sure that there is still a small amount of rust in the grain of the metal as kurust needs rust to react with. then use waxoyl or underbody sealer followed by waxoyl

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:58 pm
by Gwynleym10
DaveD wrote:not tried it personally but I think some on the zone recommended these people

http://www.bilthamber.com/index.html


they look professional anyway
Very Good stuff! The S50 smells nice as well!

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:04 pm
by junkjimmy
Treat the rust and then paint with a zinc primer and then wax oil dude

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:20 pm
by Gwynleym10
Read this;

http://www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50comparison.html

Now go an leave your waxoil at Halfords for ford / vauxhall owners.

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:02 pm
by junkjimmy
Dude if waxoil was for ford and gm cars why did mine come from the factory with waxoil in all the internal recesses :?:

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:38 pm
by Gwynleym10
Are you sure it it Waxoil? Just curious about how you can tell?

I'm sure it is a lot better than nothing anyway.

I would just used the best that I could find because it isn't the thing that I want to do every year!

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:26 pm
by junkjimmy
I removed the plastic caps in the floor pan and the waxoil is visable

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:47 pm
by kevin316i
Waxoyl (Waxoil) is a brand name for cavity wax. There area load of different brands of cavity wax on the market for professional and DIY use. Before you use any cavity wax on a rust area, you need to properly treat the rust and then coat with a good quality rust paint, such as POR-15. Only apply the cavity wax after this.

I personally had bad experience with waxoyl, because of the application system. I heated the wax in hot water as recommened, but as soon as it came out the top of the gun it just congealed. I ended up with more wax on my overalls than in the car!! After this I bought several aerosol cans on cavity wax and used a long flexible extension to get the wax into all areas. The problem wuth aerosol is that it's thin, so you should apply coats. Spraying a load in the first time means the excess just runs out the sill hols etc.

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:59 pm
by Gwynleym10
Thanks Kevin - I was just about the write that!

The Bilt S50 is an aerosol - I did find that it dripped a bit but I found it surprisingly clean to work with. It is however a it more expensive!

I found their delivery very quick though.

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:11 pm
by junkjimmy
Dude i use a compressor with a sealy gun with a 2ft extension and a hot air gun to heat the wax aerosols are a waste of time 90psi with a 5 direction cavity probe does the bussiness :D

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:19 pm
by Gwynleym10
Well done I'm sure that is the best way to do it proffesionally - but not all of us have access to that type of equipment. I think this thread was started by someone who wanted to do the job themselves.

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:30 pm
by junkjimmy
Dude cost about £120 for the gear but well worth it if it saves your fantastic modern clasicc from the scapheap :)

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:50 pm
by junkjimmy

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:22 pm
by Gwynleym10
I don't even have a compressor..

We will compare notes in 20 years time! :D

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:35 pm
by Brianmoooore
£120 includes the compressor!

Re: Underside Rust treatment

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:11 pm
by junkjimmy
Yes 25litre £75 :D