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Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:56 am
by Cyman
Hi,

My 318is went in for an MOT yesterday, and the mechanic told me that there is a CAT fitted to my exhaust. I didn't think that cars before 1993 had CATs fitted?

If it does have one...

1. Would removing it give much of a power increase?

2. If I fitted a bypass pipe, what else would I have to do (i.e. remap the ECU, or do something to trick the relevant sensor?)

Cheers...

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:10 am
by DaveD
august 1992 but it was an option on earlier cars.... don't know about the power but you wont need to do anything to the ecu having a lambda sensor does no harm...

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:29 pm
by Brianmoooore
BMW handbook figures give a 2 bhp drop on a 318i fitted with a cat, but no drop at all for the iS.
Does show a 5% increase in fuel consumption though for the iS,

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:31 pm
by oze30
what do you dio with the lambda sensors?

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:32 pm
by Brianmoooore
oze30 wrote:what do you dio with the lambda sensors?
Leave it in place.

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:36 pm
by oze30
Hmm.. Might have to do this. make up a section of pipe the same length as the cats, flange it and unbolt the buggars. (I need them when it goes back to Oz)

So there's no problems with the sensors like that? I'd have thought that they would change the fueling abit to compensate? Or do they really have nowt to do with cats?

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:38 pm
by Brianmoooore
Cat isn't needed on post '92 LPG powered vehicles, as they easily meet emissions requirements without one, so they are often removed.
Usual method of dealing with it is to remove it and destroy the ceramic innards of the thing with a steel rod up the outlet pipe. Shake all the bits out, and refit the casing.

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:37 pm
by oze30
Doesnt that show up on CO tests etc?

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:42 pm
by Cyman
Thanks for the advice...

Just to make sure I understand...

If my 318is does have a CAT, removing it won't increase the power. If I do remove it, I don't need to do anything to the chip as the existing lambda sensor (which is there to protect the CAT) will take care of everything?

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:55 pm
by dannyboy759
You can remove it, It will increase torque a little.
And as long as the car is pre Jan 1992 the car does not have to have one.
As for the Lamda sensor, if its in the manifold like an M3(cant remember with the is) then great
If its in the exhaust like the other e30´s then you can either drill a hole in the exhaust and weld a nut on it to attach it or just leave it off.
If you do the later the ECU will go into a default mode which will not affect anything else but it will go to a different type of fueling.
I cant explain it all on here but it was explained to me by one of the technicians in MÃanich, but anyway the car will run fine and still pass and MOT.

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:48 pm
by iain
Cyman wrote:Hi,

My 318is went in for an MOT yesterday, and the mechanic told me that there is a CAT fitted to my exhaust. I didn't think that cars before 1993 had CATs fitted?
did it pass?

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:52 pm
by Cyman
did it pass?

Yep =)

I had the rear discs stripped down and the handbrake adjusted...still not great, but a lot better. Also had to replace the rubber fuel pipes under the inlet manifold due to a leak, and replaced the rubber boot (AFM to Inlet Manifold) as it was torn. That plus an MOT, oil change, air filter cleaner & injector cleaner, and i'm just about at my original budget, so it's all good. Seems to be running v. nicely now...

How's the E36

Re: Removing a CAT

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:06 pm
by hennabm
Just to clarify - any car of any age does NOT need a CAT to pass the MOT, so long as it can meet the emission limits for its age.

I had an old 525e in the early '90s with over 170k on it and it would pass a CAT test, even though the only cat it knew was the one it ran over on the way to the MOT!