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noisy tapetts
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:11 pm
by jambacorn
Have just purchased a 318i touring and restored it to it's formar glory
have had it serviced now engine is occasionally very tappety.
was about to pu STP in the engine
car has done 126k
any recommendations on oil?
any information would be very much appreciated
many thanks
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:35 pm
by straight6
am just in process of buying 89' 320i. again with tappet noise...what do we do?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:47 pm
by johnono
new oil and filter
have the rockers re set
if this doesnt help, change your injectors but that would mean theyԚ´re not sat great in the head so... itll cost alot
changing them for e36 jets can cause probs with overfueling
also a ill fitting exhaust manifold into main system could cause a loudish "tapping" sound
i know there are more possibles, but i dont know what they are

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:12 pm
by jambacorn
I thought that this engine had Hydraulic lifters??
would they still need adjusting?
will keep you posted with what happens
many thanx for your help
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:10 pm
by johnono
sorry, ive an m20, get into a habit

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:15 pm
by puggy2051900gti
is it a hard job to adjust the tappets? ho wdo you adjust them?
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:17 am
by johnono
have a butchy in the tech sec.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:15 am
by Demlotcrew
jambacorn wrote:I thought that this engine had Hydraulic lifters??
would they still need adjusting?
will keep you posted with what happens
many thanx for your help
Yes this is correct, there is no way of getting rid of the noise except to change the Rockers/Tappets/Cam.
Will the Engine Rev to 6k?
Andrew
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:37 pm
by jambacorn
yes the engine will rev to 6k
there is absoultly nothing wrong with the engine compression test o.k
the car has been serviced regularly since new
just the tappety noise is annoying I'm sure it is oil related.......
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:11 pm
by dbanbery
jambacorn:
get some duckhams 10w 40 oil, whack that in in your next service, and use that wynns hydraulic lifter cleaner (it did nothing for mine but still try it its not much) it will make it better but wont make it dissapear
duckhams oil is best suited for older engines as it quietens it down.... and its a funky green colour too. if you use fully synthetic (i used fuch titan pro) it will make it noisier. as someone said earlier the ultimate way to eradicate this is to get a new camshaft, rockers etc, as all your rockers wil have worn a slightly different profile. i have a complete head with new camshaft that may go on mine... that is if i dont sell it first. hydraulic lifters are self adjusting so no they dont need adjusting... its the valve clearances that need doing on M10s and M20s when they start getting tickety
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:14 pm
by jambacorn
Many thanks that sounds like sound advice.
will let uyou know what happens
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:02 am
by Skip
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but my car is ticking like mad since I changed the oil on Monday, it does go away now and again, but mostly its there... also found out that it wont rev past 5000 so I guess that its fecked?!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:14 am
by eddie316i
yeah mines does this too but theres not much else i can do about it but keep changing the oil every 6 months...it does die down a bit after changing, possibly use the dukhams oil the dlanberry suggested.
I have been used semi-synth 10w-40 and it seems quite noisy with the wynns tappet noise reduction and no difference....
Think its too late for mine - tho i've not tried revving above 6000rpm!
She still drives at 109mph!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:37 am
by Skip
eddie316i wrote:I have been used semi-synth 10w-40 and it seems quite noisy with the wynns tappet noise reduction and no difference....
Think its too late for mine - tho i've not tried revving above 6000rpm!
She still drives at 109mph!

Thats what I put in it, 10/40 Semi Synth, will try some of this Wynns noise reducer stuff....
Cheers!
Its over 5000 btw, not 6000!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:14 pm
by dbanbery
dont bother with the wynns noise reduction stuff its a waste of money. the best thing you could do to stop the noise for once and for all would be to get a brand new or nearly new camshaft (from breakers) with the matching rockers, then the noise would go. to be fair trhe only thing that affects performance i found was the hydraulic lifters, as when they get stuffed full of gum they dont open properly, hence the not revving about 5k... my 316i revved all the way to 6k. i'd say i have a new camshaft setup to sell you, but i sold it with the spare head i had a couple of weeks ago.

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:35 pm
by 320Touring
skip and eddie316i...
GSF sell the cam for your m40 for Ԛ£67.00 ex vat!!!
B14308 CAMSHAFT-4 CYL E30 316i 88>91 M40 67.00
get that and possibly new rockers and jobsagudun!
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:20 pm
by Martinaston
I noticed no one mentioned a worn oil pump. This would lead to low oil pressure, and then what would that do?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:01 pm
by dbanbery
the low oil pressure would knacker the camshaft and rockers, as it would run dry due to the M40s bad spraybar design.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:35 pm
by eddie316i
yeah i did replace the oil spray bar at cost of a tenner from bmw but its not made any difference really.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:25 am
by dbanbery
it wont do because the damage has been done.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:53 am
by bigmattpowell
My m40's always had a bit of top end clatter but started making a very loud noise occasionally- like a sort of tink tink tink, sounded like one tappet was properly sticking. Stuck some Wynns hydraulic lifter treatment in and it stopped the loud noise immediately. General fiesta-esque rattle is unchanged though. I guess it works to clean out a specific problem (i.e. gummed up lifter) but wont cure 100 000 miles of wear.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:52 am
by Brianmoooore
M40s often suffer from camshaft wear, but that is nothing to do with the diesel engine impressions.
That is entirely down to a less than successful early design for hydraulic tappets. Anything over 60,000 miles and no tapping is a bonus.
Engine flush (try a diesel oil for six months), and experimenting with oil grades may or may not help, depending on whether the tappets are gummed or worn.