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urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:03 pm
by tim_s
anyone got any tips for getting the subframe bushes off the car? the big bolts have been removed, was expecting the subframe to be free but the bushes are still held into the car. have tried whacking the subframe a bit, no success though. any tips? bugger, its gonna rain and my subframe is stuck in place :cry:

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:10 pm
by Chris-W
Is the diff still attached to the beam? If so, get a jack on it to remove the lateral strain from the bush cores & then stick a long metal thing up / down the bush cores & smack it hard from side to side with a BIG hammer.

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:14 pm
by tim_s
cheers for the advice - have given up now. had a good play with it, it doesn't really want to budge - i figure to do it i'll have to burn the rubber off, drop the subframe and then work on the core, I don't really have time to do that right now, was hoping to get a bit lucky and sort it this eve, will book it in and have it done, its really not worth the grief!

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:52 pm
by kdw215b
you need a torch ( ie some real heat!) to burn/ soften up the rubber.

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:23 pm
by stuartgallafant
heat the subframe (where the bush is held in) and stick a long 12" extension bar through the bush. then REALLY wiggle the little bastard with loadsa strength and GRRRRR, and the subframe should drop down. HOPEFULLY, the metal tops of the bushes wont stay inside their seat

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:31 pm
by Chris-W
stuartgallafant wrote:HOPEFULLY, the metal tops of the bushes wont stay inside their seat
And if they do, it's time to drill them out.....

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:48 pm
by tim_s
cheers for the advice guys, didnt have much time the other night, and not much energy for pissing around underneath the e30 atm! have done far too much to the car this yr with the 2.1 and the ITBs and the MS etc, so really couldn't be arsed. got a quote of £60 a side so booked her in for wed. shame about the £150 odd it will cost with the vat, but what the hell saves me having to stress over it, would rather save my energy for performance-enhancing mods!

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:13 pm
by tim_s
ah well. booked it into a garage, they chickened out though an hr after trying. assholes. so i did them myself today. managed to get the subframe off by getting a long rod in there and beating the hell out of it. changing the bushes was actually fairly easy. :cool:

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:54 pm
by Demlotcrew
BMW dont charge more than Ԛ£150 with vat and parts.

Andrew

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:53 am
by tim_s
Demlotcrew wrote:BMW dont charge more than Ԛ£150 with vat and parts.

Andrew
I'd put money on my local dealership (Dick Lovett) charging a lot more than that. they're big, stuck up, and notoriously expensive!
Read these reviews off that unixnerd site about them:
3 weeks notice required to book a service. Indifferent staff (Chat on the phone & ignore customers for up to 15 minutes). Messy service & won't do what is asked. If you want a good BMW dealership, go toWellsway in Bath!

Also a 0 star rating:

These *used* to be good. I now have an 850 and Jeez - what a nightmare. I had a fuel leak so obvious that you could see fuel spurting on the bulkhead. I took it in, told them the fault only to get a so called engineer say he couldn't find the fault. Obviously not an engineer then. I had to argue against the 4 hrs they wanted to charge for *finding the fault* and had the service manager on the phone being rather unhelpful. I cancelled all remaining work despite MY diagnosis being spot on. My Dad knows Dick from his youth. I hope Dicks son is as keen to offer improvements as his Dad is. The most helful guy was the security guard.

Also:

My office is virtually next door to the above but I never use them. When deciding between a used 5 or 7 series they were wholly unhelpful in providing service cost info and extremely snooty. I take my 7 to Ryedale Newport who are very helpful, polite, friendly do an excellent job.

Also:

APPALLING INSPECTION 1, COULDN'T EVEN FIT A POLLEN FILTER CORRECTLY! EVEN AFTER COMPLAINT, THEY PROMISED THE EARTH AND STILL HAVEN'T DELIVERED-THAT WAS 4 WEEKS AGO. WRITTEN TO JIM O'DONNEL ABOUT THEM! I CANNOT RECOMMEND THEM AT ALL.

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Terrible. Can't get through to service line; totally unhelpful staff who really, really don't care. Use Wellsway Bath or Rydale Newport instead.

Also:

5 month old 525dase. Had a load noise from the front o/s wheel. Pulled over but couldn't see anything. Got very loud but then suddenly stopped. Told Dick Lovett above when I took the car in for them to check for damage. When I collected it they said they road tested it but could not hear a noise!!!!. Worse to come. They cleaned the car and put some sort of coating on the tyres which had run over my expensive alloys. I couldn't get it off with wonder wheels, they took it in and got off 95% of it with acid and by polishing the wheels.

And:

I am a proud BMW 328 M sport Owner - year 98, however not proud of Dick lovett - Apparantly you have to ask to get your 4 plus discount! Their excuse for not offering it is " our client base is 0-3 years therefore its not a service that we regularly offer". I recomend Rydale in Cardiff! Excellent customer service.

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Took my 7 series to lovetts for service and their arrogance was beyond belief would never use them again. Made me feel like i was very un important got the impression it was a chore to be even civil to their customers.

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Took car in for service & also said that the temperature gauge intermittently shot up into the red, they found no fault. As it carried on doing it, took it in again, but agin no fault. 3 weeks later I needed a new engine! They said it was due to faulty themostat, but that it was a coincidence that I'd brought it in previously & not their fault! Eventually gave me a 20% discount, but it still cost me Ԛ£4000.

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Absolutely appauling. Failed to fix oil pressure fault (told them what another garage had identifed, they 'fixed' something else. Detuned the car by 5 MPG at a routine service.

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Another unhappy customer. Failed to notice worn trailing arm bushes during 1500 quid Inspection II (which involved rear suspension work) and then quoted 400 quid to replace them 4 months later when they failed. Took car to Claytons and they fixed it for 175 quid + found rattle in rear suspension which I mentioned to DL when in for its Inspection II + found fuel tank was loose. Avoid unless you like getting ripped off.

Also:

13/07/06: Went in to buy a new 525d M Sport. Arranged a test drive- nice car. My wife subsequently rang and left a message to arrange a test drive of the same care with the sales guy, who then rang me and told me unless I ordered the car first he wouldn't arrange a test drive...so I bought the car from Wellesway in Bath. As to the servicing expensive but satisfactory as its been all routine so far.
will ring them tmrw and get a quote for kicks. not that i mind anyway, for the amount of work i put in im glad to have saved myself Ԛ£150 - i had the parts anyway. the local BMW specialist (Clayton Cars, mentioned on the unixnerd thing) wanted Ԛ£150 with the VAT (no parts), undoubtedly BMW will cost a fair bit more, as the specialist knows what BMW charge and for all things in the past have done them a fair bit cheaper. would have used the speciliast only they couldn't book it in very quickly and I needed them done speedily as they failed the MOT (a bit dubiously - the bushes that have come out look fine and are dated 2000).

Re: urgent, subframe bushes stuck to car

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:49 am
by Brianmoooore
You should get exactly the same level of service from any BMW dealership, whether you show up with a 3 month old 7 series or a 20 year old E30. If not, get on to BMW UK and complain loudly. BMW UK take a keen interest in the level of service their dealers provide.