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Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:14 pm
by TGNelson
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Had a leak from my Steering pump the past few weeks so did a total overhaul of the Banjo bolt washers and gave it all a good clean and flush with new fluid. Was working fine last night but the leak has reappeared overnight. It's only small, a few drops a day maybe, but I'd like to get it sorted.

Now that the pump is clean I've been able to track down where the leak is coming from and its coming from this small hole on top. Anybody know what that hole is for and whether it's a fixable leak or do I have to buy another one? Image

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 pm
by HJ1981
There is an O-ring, a very small one in fact for the Vickers pump. It is part of the reseal kit BMW offers, actually there is a second bolt like that which also requires an o-ring.

Gasket set vane pump VICKERS 1 32411133023

For those that have a ZF pump and wish to reseal it:

Gasket set vane pump ZF 1 32411135880

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:19 am
by TGNelson
HJ1981 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 pm
There is an O-ring, a very small one in fact for the Vickers pump. It is part of the reseal kit BMW offers, actually there is a second bolt like that which also requires an o-ring.

Gasket set vane pump VICKERS 1 32411133023

For those that have a ZF pump and wish to reseal it:

Gasket set vane pump ZF 1 32411135880

Thanks! I've purchased the gasket set so I'll record me changing it over and upload some pics to document the process for anybody else

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:55 pm
by HJ1981
TGNelson wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:19 am
HJ1981 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 pm
There is an O-ring, a very small one in fact for the Vickers pump. It is part of the reseal kit BMW offers, actually there is a second bolt like that which also requires an o-ring.

Gasket set vane pump VICKERS 1 32411133023

For those that have a ZF pump and wish to reseal it:

Gasket set vane pump ZF 1 32411135880

Thanks! I've purchased the gasket set so I'll record me changing it over and upload some pics to document the process for anybody else
People resealing the Vickers pump bitch very specifically on those tiny o-rings, how as they torqued down those screws it chewed the o-rings and what not.

The E30 workshop manual shows the entire process for the ZF pump only, just online random sources show the Vickers sadly.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:51 pm
by TGNelson
HJ1981 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:55 pm
TGNelson wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:19 am
HJ1981 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 pm
There is an O-ring, a very small one in fact for the Vickers pump. It is part of the reseal kit BMW offers, actually there is a second bolt like that which also requires an o-ring.

Gasket set vane pump VICKERS 1 32411133023

For those that have a ZF pump and wish to reseal it:

Gasket set vane pump ZF 1 32411135880

Thanks! I've purchased the gasket set so I'll record me changing it over and upload some pics to document the process for anybody else
People resealing the Vickers pump bitches very specifically on those tiny o-rings, how as they torqued down those screws it chewed the o-rings and what not.

The E30 workshop manual shows the entire process for the ZF pump only, just online random sources show the Vickers sadly.
Ahh, so very low torque setting then? Assume you wouldnt know the specs in that case?

I've done a quick search and can't find those online sources you mention... Any chance you can point me in the right diection as I've browsed the forums and skimmed a google search and nothing came up.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm
by HJ1981
Sadly as i mentioned only the ZF pump was covered in the workshop manual.

This is the only DIY thread for the Vickers pump i have found:

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/forum/ ... ur-ps-pump

Here is the workshop manual for the ZF pump, pay attention to the blades and use the same torque settings for the housing bolts and it should be alright. I would hand tighten those smaller screws with o-rings, maybe 3 nm of torque.




Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:02 pm
by TGNelson
HJ1981 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm
Sadly as i mentioned only the ZF pump was covered in the workshop manual.

This is the only DIY thread for the Vickers pump i have found:

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/forum/ ... ur-ps-pump

Here is the workshop manual for the ZF pump, pay attention to the blades and use the same torque settings for the housing bolts and it should be alright. I would hand tighten those smaller screws with o-rings, maybe 3 nm of torque.



Ah man you're a hero, that's really helpful. It's a different pump but if I follow that where I can I shouldn't go too far wrong. And I'll be sure not to overtighten that tiny o ring!! Thanks!!

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:17 am
by HJ1981
Anytime, it is just the seals that are different between the ZF and the Vickers models.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:57 pm
by TGNelson
Just to provide an update. Fixed the leak and replaced all of the seals for a measly £33 and about 3 hours labour. Would have been less if I had snap ring pliers but spent ages getting a tiny snap ring off and one with the tools I had with me.

Here is the pictures of the pump together and apart:
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Definitely pushed my limit as a very rookie, self-taught mechanic but overall the job really wasn't too hard. Got a quote from a professional for £170 without VAT, so managed to save a lot of money on it and didn't encounter any issues with it.

In terms of the process, I'll try to write out a guide below, or at least one that I followed.

1. Remove the pump from the car (I followed this: https://classicbimmerbits.com/e30-how-t ... placement/)
2. Loosen the 4 nuts on each corner of the pump (The pump has a spring and rod so do it slowly corner at a time otherwise it will fly apart.
3. You can now replace the rubber seals in the back of the pump. There are 2 inside which can just about be seen in the picture, and there are two small hex screws which required a 3mm (I think) allen key. Be careful with these as whoever put it together before overtightened these and I almost rounded one of them. Inside the screws are two tiny seals, replace these.
4. Now to the main pump side. Remove the large gasket surrounding the inner cylinder (Not sure what it is actually called, but it is flat cylindrical and in the center of the pump)
5. There is a small snap ring over the spline, remove this and push the spline through, removing the pulley side. You can then remove the cap off the central cylinder by pulling it.
6. Where the pulley enters the pump, there is a thick rubber seal, remove this by pulling it, being careful not to damage the sides. Push the new one with a coating of ATF oil.
7. Before you put it back together, make sure you reattach the bracket as you cannot put it on when the pulley and snap ring is reattached.
8. Replace the large gasket around the cylinder and put the pump together following the steps in reverse.

Torque Specs: Around 15 ft/lb for the four nuts around the pump, and just hand tight for the hex screws (Don't overtighten these as you will either destroy the seal or round the hole) You can always tighten them again from the outside.

Note: There are 7 items that came in the gasket set, two tiny seals for the hex screws, two larger gaskets for inside, one large gasket which goes round the cylinder, one thick seal on the pulley entrance, and a new snap ring.

If anybody in future has issues with this, I filmed the whole thing and can talk people through it, but didn't want to upload a massive video.

Hopefully this helps somebody in the future :)

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:21 am
by HJ1981
Thank you, i was going to ask for an update since i plan on resealing the pump and rack.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:48 pm
by TGNelson
HJ1981 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:21 am
Thank you, i was going to ask for an update since i plan on resealing the pump and rack.
No problem, let me know if you run into any issues and may be able to help?

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:54 pm
by HJ1981
TGNelson wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:48 pm
HJ1981 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:21 am
Thank you, i was going to ask for an update since i plan on resealing the pump and rack.
No problem, let me know if you run into any issues and may be able to help?
Thank you, i will but my priorities for resealing the pump is quite low. I still need to either remove the dash or fix the HVAC harness, parts just arrived late last week, but the weather has been bad since then (living in an apartment). My goal is to reseal the pump and steering rack, refresh that 30 year old system basically, but not at the moment.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:41 am
by HJ1981
Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well in this crazy Corona pandemic.

Sadly it seems that the Vickers pump in my E30 is weak, making noise when cold and not providing enough pressure when warm. I flushed the system a couple of times when i re-sealed the steering rack a few months ago. Sadly the fluid has changed colour to contain more grey-ish colour with red/pink (ATF Dextron II).

I am now deciding what to do next, since the pump is not externally leaking, it maybe internally leaking? it makes sense, to me at least, that the internal seals would fail and thus cause pressure issues.

So my options are:

Get a used pump (they are many ZF and Vickers pumps for sale between €25 and €50) get a re-seal kit and go from there.

Re-seal my current pump: It is a bit of a gamble, since i could get lucky and re-sealing it would solve the problem, or it maybe metal on metal grinding making re-sealing useless.

Get a re-manufactured pump: They run at €130 to €200 + €100 core, probably the "best" in terms of functionality option, but most expensive.

My car is due for inspection II service, so all fluids, filters, plugs and oils will be replaced (including new front discs and pads). Valve adjustment as well, and flushing the p/s system + new reservoir (since they contain a filter). The pump is my deciding factor at this point, think a re-seal kit from BMW would do any good?

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:44 am
by TGNelson
HJ1981 wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:41 am
Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well in this crazy Corona pandemic.

Sadly it seems that the Vickers pump in my E30 is weak, making noise when cold and not providing enough pressure when warm. I flushed the system a couple of times when i re-sealed the steering rack a few months ago. Sadly the fluid has changed colour to contain more grey-ish colour with red/pink (ATF Dextron II).

I am now deciding what to do next, since the pump is not externally leaking, it maybe internally leaking? it makes sense, to me at least, that the internal seals would fail and thus cause pressure issues.

So my options are:

Get a used pump (they are many ZF and Vickers pumps for sale between €25 and €50) get a re-seal kit and go from there.

Re-seal my current pump: It is a bit of a gamble, since i could get lucky and re-sealing it would solve the problem, or it maybe metal on metal grinding making re-sealing useless.

Get a re-manufactured pump: They run at €130 to €200 + €100 core, probably the "best" in terms of functionality option, but most expensive.

My car is due for inspection II service, so all fluids, filters, plugs and oils will be replaced (including new front discs and pads). Valve adjustment as well, and flushing the p/s system + new reservoir (since they contain a filter). The pump is my deciding factor at this point, think a re-seal kit from BMW would do any good?
For what its worth, having done the reseal job, its quite an interesting and satisfying task. Definitely not too hard and worth saving the £130. I have a spare ZF pump lying around that I'd be happy to send you for £25. Never tried it as ended up resealing my old one which fixed the majority of the issues.

Re: Steering Pump Leak

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:34 pm
by HJ1981
TGNelson wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:44 am
HJ1981 wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:41 am
Hello,

Hope everyone is doing well in this crazy Corona pandemic.

Sadly it seems that the Vickers pump in my E30 is weak, making noise when cold and not providing enough pressure when warm. I flushed the system a couple of times when i re-sealed the steering rack a few months ago. Sadly the fluid has changed colour to contain more grey-ish colour with red/pink (ATF Dextron II).

I am now deciding what to do next, since the pump is not externally leaking, it maybe internally leaking? it makes sense, to me at least, that the internal seals would fail and thus cause pressure issues.

So my options are:

Get a used pump (they are many ZF and Vickers pumps for sale between €25 and €50) get a re-seal kit and go from there.

Re-seal my current pump: It is a bit of a gamble, since i could get lucky and re-sealing it would solve the problem, or it maybe metal on metal grinding making re-sealing useless.

Get a re-manufactured pump: They run at €130 to €200 + €100 core, probably the "best" in terms of functionality option, but most expensive.

My car is due for inspection II service, so all fluids, filters, plugs and oils will be replaced (including new front discs and pads). Valve adjustment as well, and flushing the p/s system + new reservoir (since they contain a filter). The pump is my deciding factor at this point, think a re-seal kit from BMW would do any good?
For what its worth, having done the reseal job, its quite an interesting and satisfying task. Definitely not too hard and worth saving the £130. I have a spare ZF pump lying around that I'd be happy to send you for £25. Never tried it as ended up resealing my old one which fixed the majority of the issues.
I apologise for my late reply, i am trying to move 200 kms to Munich for my new job, while battling silly corona lock downs in Germany while travelling 1.600kms weekly.

I shall send you a PM if i require that pump, do you have/does it come with the ZF mounting brackets? or just bare pump?