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Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:37 pm
by E30_Aza
Hi guys, I've been looking into getting the miller maf conversion for my 2.7. When I googled this I got mixed views. One extreme to another, some say amazing difference and others saying over priced for not a lot of gain.
Anyone running one of these? And what do you think? I hear it smooths out idle and throttle response and as I have a 288/288 Schrick cam I'm hoping it could smooth out its lumpy idle.
Any opinion welcome as I'm still open to getting one. Or is there another mod out there that I've not seen? All help appreciated guys
Cheers
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:05 pm
by miniblob
Hello mate - long time....
I've got a MAF conversion on mine - I believe it came from either an E36 328 (sounds realistic), or maybe even a Volvo of some kind (not sure I didn't make that up though tbh!!!).
Can't even remember exactly who I got this fitted by either, or whether Ant changed it for some reason when he built my 2.7!!!
Sorry to be useless and confusing!!!
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:25 pm
by E30_Aza
Hi mate, hope all is well?
No this is useful. So there are other units that you can use other than the miller unit? I heard something about using a Hyundai maf too. What have you done reguarding chip in the ECU?
Do you see any difference with the maf? Or have you always had it?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:51 pm
by Brianmoooore
See the current thread about fitting a M50 MAF and management to a M20
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:05 pm
by Speedtouch
I had a Miller MAF on my 1988 325iSE. Made the throttle response super-smooth (particularly in traffic - no nasty 'kangarooing', and no noticeable loss of power. Made it very easy to trickle along on a very light throttle most of the time, so 30mpg average was easily achieved.
However, if your idle is lumpy (presumably due to the peaky cams), I doubt fitting a MAF will cure it.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:08 pm
by E30_Aza
Where abouts can I hind the thread on the m50 maf?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:08 pm
by daimlerman
I have a Miller MAF on my 2.7.
Shown above after being transfered from it's original home to my cabbie.
Fuel economy and throttle response is improved,however,Miller's claims that they will supply suitable and alternate chips is stretching the truth somewhat.I am still waiting,some 5 years on,for my 'improved' chip!
I eventually had the thing 'live mapped' by Gunni,who was able to raise bhp to around the 180 mark and improve fuel economy by 10% or so.
Engine is running an ex 323i cam and a big bore t/b as well.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:18 pm
by E30_Aza
So your please with it? What's the difference between using a miller product and say the m50 maf? Apart from the price. Don't like the fact that your still waiting for an appropriate chip for this 5 years down the line. Pain in the arse company to deal with I take it?
Speedtouch, is this something you could knock up?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:20 pm
by Speedtouch
Yes, I can supply a chip that will operate with the Miller type MAF (which, I gather, is a unit used on Ford Mustangs and Lightning pick-up trucks).
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:24 pm
by badassyas
Hi. What's your spec of your engine? From top to bottom. As I have a ecu and maf conversion done by ant a while back which I will be selling as I'm going turbocharged. My setup is also a cammed 2.7...
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:05 am
by miniblob
E30_Aza wrote:Hi mate, hope all is well?
No this is useful. So there are other units that you can use other than the miller unit? I heard something about using a Hyundai maf too. What have you done reguarding chip in the ECU?
Do you see any difference with the maf? Or have you always had it?
Hard to say - think I had one on my original 2.5 with every possible 'bolt on' mod - I assume I had some kind of chip for it but can't remember!!!
Then I had a 2.7 which I think was back on an AFM.
Then my current 2.7 which is a proper one built from scratch by Ant... with MAF - originally tried to megasquirt it, but it just wouldn't have it for some reason!!! So had a 2.7 chip from Ant for a fair while, before getting a Unichip ECU and full remap, done by Paul at Circuit Motors (ShepsEvo3 on here)!!!
Obviously, I never kept things simple and just did a MAF conversion - did loads of stuff at the same time, so couldn't really say what difference it would make on it's own!!!
I'll get a pic of mine when I remember!!!
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:35 am
by E30_Aza
badassyas wrote:Hi. What's your spec of your engine? From top to bottom. As I have a ecu and maf conversion done by ant a while back which I will be selling as I'm going turbocharged. My setup is also a cammed 2.7...
I bought my engine already built, but from what I'm told its a 2.5 head, Schrick 288/288 cam, vernier pulley,decked block with 2.0 con rods. This help?
Could be interested in your set up if this will work with my set up. Feel free to pm me details and price mate.
Miniblob, I think I remember when your motor was undergoing a lot of work, you didn't mess about either lol.
So I'm guessing by the feed back it's a worthy mod to do?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:42 am
by Brianmoooore
E30_Aza wrote:So your please with it? What's the difference between using a miller product and say the m50 maf? Apart from the price.
For the MAF itself, probably very little. The potential advantages come with the use of the much more sophisticated M50 management.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:12 pm
by SilverShadow
Speedtouch wrote:Yes, I can supply a chip that will operate with the Miller type MAF (which, I gather, is a unit used on Ford Mustangs and Lightning pick-up trucks).
I know I have asked in the past but are you now able to do chips for a 2.7 Miller MAF setup?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:24 pm
by Speedtouch
PM sent.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:29 pm
by steve_k
Speedtouch wrote:Yes, I can supply a chip that will operate with the Miller type MAF (which, I gather, is a unit used on Ford Mustangs and Lightning pick-up trucks).
You can get them from the states via eBay for about 45dollars/£25 + shipping.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:36 pm
by Speedtouch
Link?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:38 pm
by steve_k
Speedtouch wrote:Link?
Give me chance laptops playing up
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:42 pm
by steve_k
Just type ford f150 mustang Maf mass air flow sensor on eBay & it should come up.
Sellers name is only_maf.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:48 pm
by E30_Aza
So can I ask for the guys running a maf, what type of ECU/chip or management are you running? That sounds like the vital part.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:45 pm
by SilverShadow
My miller maf setup (chip/ecu) is originally for a 2.5 setup, however i was running it on my m20 2.7.
From what I remember once I had installed it, it improved drive ability, smooth revs and got rid of the annoying delayed start up and flat spot between 1200-1500 revs.
Only down fall was the reduced torque and rev range from when I was running the original hartge ecu on standard Air flow.
Despite all of the above I'm finally getting my 2.7 miller maf ecu chip from Speedtouch!
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:31 pm
by Speedtouch
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:50 pm
by jimbom30cab
Speedtouch, please can you drop me a PM with a price for one of these "2.7 miller maf ecu chip from Speedtouch"
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:55 pm
by Speedtouch
PM sent!
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:58 am
by pacerpete
Thread summary = lots of rocket scientists and wannabe rocket scientists spending LOTS of time and some money and ending up with less power and poorer drivability than stock.
I have no doubt that a PROPERLY developed and tested MAF conversion will lead to all round gains. A scrapyard MAF, some Skotchloks and ten minutes will not, no matter what the internet says.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:18 pm
by 1001000010
SilverShadow wrote:My miller maf setup (chip/ecu) is originally for a 2.5 setup, however i was running it on my m20 2.7.
From what I remember once I had installed it, it improved drive ability, smooth revs and got rid of the annoying delayed start up and flat spot between 1200-1500 revs.
Only down fall was the reduced torque and rev range from when I was running the original hartge ecu on standard Air flow.
Despite all of the above I'm finally getting my 2.7 miller maf ecu chip from Speedtouch!
Why didnt you get a tuner (dyno) to copy your timings to the Miller chip and then install it and dyno it to tune it. Job done.
Cheers
Kaz
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:47 pm
by 1001000010
1001000010 wrote:SilverShadow wrote:My miller maf setup (chip/ecu) is originally for a 2.5 setup, however i was running it on my m20 2.7.
From what I remember once I had installed it, it improved drive ability, smooth revs and got rid of the annoying delayed start up and flat spot between 1200-1500 revs.
Only down fall was the reduced torque and rev range from when I was running the original hartge ecu on standard Air flow.
Despite all of the above I'm finally getting my 2.7 miller maf ecu chip from Speedtouch!
Why didnt you get a tuner (dyno) to copy your timings to the Miller chip and then install it and dyno it to tune it. Job done.
One of these right?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miller-Pro-St ... 338a563adf
Cheers
Kaz
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:06 pm
by jimbom30cab
I'm actually going to Miller's HQ to pick my 3" MAF up as i'm in the area soon.
Speedtouch 2.7 MAF chip now ordered also
Should have it all fitted by the end of next week.
Might get a M30B35 MAF chip also so i can try it on the M30 aswell
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:55 pm
by Speedtouch
Miller's 24-to-28-pin ECU conversion kit sounds like a steal; for $19.95, you get a 28-pin DIL chip socket (probably worth all of $1) and a length of tinned copper wire worth $0.02 cents!
https://www.millerperformancecars.com/s ... ade-detail
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:12 pm
by pacerpete
I cannot see a problem
They supply products that work. It is not that simple, as the legions of internet based rocket scientists with half finished badly running cars proves .Research and knowledge needs to be paid for somehow by someone.
When somebody questions what I charge to carry out a pre purchase 'autopsy' for example. I tell them that they are not just paying for my time, they are paying for my knowledge
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:37 pm
by Kedge
For those that want to save a fortune over the Millar GEN III take a look at this page in the Wiki;
http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/MAF
The Miller GEN III is the VAG part
Then all you need to do is either get a live map or see whether Speedtouch can do you a chip.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:53 pm
by Speedtouch
pacerpete wrote:
I cannot see a problem
They supply products that work. It is not that simple, as the legions of internet based rocket scientists with half finished badly running cars proves .Research and knowledge needs to be paid for somehow by someone.
When somebody questions what I charge to carry out a pre purchase 'autopsy' for example. I tell them that they are not just paying for my time, they are paying for my knowledge
Fair play, they have to make a profit, but that is some mark up, on what are cheaply available standard parts.
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:10 pm
by miniblob
Pics of mine below... someone may be able to identify what it came from???
I presume the cable going into the intake boot just past the MAF is some kind of air temp sensor?
I know, I know, I'll make a bracket for that air filter one day!!!
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:12 pm
by jimbom30cab
Nice, do you notice any difference with it ?
Re: Views on miller maf
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:33 pm
by steve_k
Miniblob, that looks like either a Volvo Maf or a hyundi unit, google any part numbers you can find on it.
