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motronic ignition timing - solved

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:52 pm
by voyager3142
i have been having trouble starting my car recently. i found that i was getting no spark at the plugs.

I have read up on how the electronic timing works through the motronic 1.3 to try get an idea of where to start looking for the fault.

so it looks like the coil gets +12v from the ignition and from the ECU when the key is turned to run. when the key is turned to start the ECU is meant to repeatedly ground the -ve side of the coil to create the spark.

i put a 12v bulb across the -ve side of the coil and ground and tried to start the car, the bulb remained on.

Is this confirmation that the amplifier in the ECU has gone and therefore i need a new ECU?

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:17 pm
by carannc
Not necessarily, itc ould mean the ecu is not getting power or is not getting a cranking signal from the CPS

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:13 am
by Brianmoooore
ECU's are ultra reliable. Crank position sensors are not.

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:05 pm
by voyager3142
have changd the crank sensor once and the ecu is running the fuel pump while cranking the engine, is this not a sign that the ECU is receiving pulses from the crank sensor?

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:38 pm
by Brianmoooore
voyager3142 wrote: is this not a sign that the ECU is receiving pulses from the crank sensor?
Correct.

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:46 pm
by voyager3142
so would your next guess be to change the ECU?

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:42 pm
by Brianmoooore
The next thing I would do is to connect a spare sparkplug directly to the ignition coil king terminal, and crank the engine.
It's not impossible for an ECU to fail, but I've never seen one - including a few that have already been diagnosed (by others) as faulty, other than the well known idle control problems with late 6 pot ECUs.

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:30 pm
by carannc
I have one fail but i have to confess to doing some mig welding in the vicinity :-(

Re: motronic ignition timing

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:26 pm
by voyager3142
This problem and this other thread of mine were part of the same issue.

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=130823

Turns out it was the ECU, got an identical numbered one and replaced mine, cracked up on first turn of the key