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brake problem - UPDATE
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:25 am
by no2lurch
on my drive back from wales last night, i noticed the car was pulling to the right a bit. i tried heavy breaking and it seemed to correct itself.
when i got home, i felt the brake disks and the drivers side was cold but the passenger side was real hot (burnt my finger).
i'm gonna look at the pads tonight and see what they are like but the disks are neither scored or ridged on the shiney surface.
what else do i need to do or look out for?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:29 am
by DHFiS
Seized caliper?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:40 am
by no2lurch
i thought that. can i cure it or do i need a new caliper?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:49 am
by no2lurch
just had a thought... could the hot side be siezed?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:18 pm
by no2lurch
well i got home and had the front in the air. started with the passenger side.
the wheel did turn but took some effort. it was not able to turn and then let spin a bit, it stopped as soon as i stopped turning it if that makes sense. i took the caliper off to find the sliders acting as they should with no resistance at all and the pads have plenty of life left and the disks are very good stil. to be honest they look fairly new. with the pads out i pressed the brake pedal a few times and the piston came out as expected. i had to use quite some force with the c-clamp to get them back in. with them all the way in, i reassembled and pressed the pedal again until it stopped going to the floor. tried to spin the wheel again and it was as i found it.
i then went onto the drivers side and found the wheel spin freely. did the same as with the pass side and all seemed freer. less effort was needed with the c-clamp and after reassembly, the wheel still turned freely.
so it would seem the passenger side is going on ok but not releasing. the dirvers side seems fine. so do i need to change the passenger side caliper?
do i need to change both sides? i'm worried the new side will show the old side up as not working as it should.
if i change caliper/s can i keep the pads and disks?
any other things to be wary of?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:35 pm
by gingebmx
Hi Ive just changed my drivers side on my 325 sport as it was sticking as yours is, £50 odd quid from GSF (recon so had to give them old caliper) I also was a bit worried that on new caliper might cause problems. I have taken the car up the road with new caliper and the same pads and discs etc and it feels fine brakes dead straight and not sticking yey! Mine didn't get driven far whilst sticking so I would check if the wear is fairly similar on both sets of pad/disc combinations, also check the pad friction material hasn't cracked from the heat, the crack will be quite noticable. Obviously make sure if refitting the pads and discs that they are in the same order they come off and have a good look to be sure they are not knackered but I dont think they will be too bad. If in doubt ask mate
Chris
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:49 pm
by no2lurch
which type of caliper do i have? its held onto the bracket 13mm bolts...
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:11 pm
by gingebmx
Mine is on 6mm allen key sliders its an ATE caliper, mines an early one. Check the caliper seal if you are wondering what may have caused the seizing mine was slightly miss seated and I guess some sh*te got in the caliper piston assembly. You could release the bleed nipple and see if it is easier to release, if so the brake line may be blocked but its a long shot,
Chris
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:25 pm
by no2lurch
to get the piston out required no more efforrt really on the pedal... think i'll just get a new caliper and put it on. i'm just worried that the new caliper will show up and inadequacies in the origninal one on the other side. i heard they should be changed as pair.
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:15 am
by Martinaston
You didn't mentioned if you have an ABS system so i'll assume you havn't got one.
Pull the caliper off the disc and pump the pedal so the piston moves out, leave the pads in so you don't pop the piston all the way out.
While its out chheck the condition of the rubber dust seal around the piston for holes/integrity and then fold it back and have a look at the condition of the chromed outer surface of the piston.
If water has got at the surface of the chrome plating, cracks and flakes will form and damage the inner pressure seal and jam the piston.
If the piston is ok you can buy just the seals instead of a whole new caliper.
Thats assuming you've checked its not a sagging/sticking pedal and thats the shortest pipe from the master cylinder to the wheel so the one most likely to show signs of pedal travel.
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:06 am
by no2lurch
it does have abs
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:45 am
by no2lurch
Martinaston wrote:You didn't mentioned if you have an ABS system so i'll assume you havn't got one.
Pull the caliper off the disc and pump the pedal so the piston moves out, leave the pads in so you don't pop the piston all the way out.
While its out chheck the condition of the rubber dust seal around the piston for holes/integrity and then fold it back and have a look at the condition of the chromed outer surface of the piston.
If water has got at the surface of the chrome plating, cracks and flakes will form and damage the inner pressure seal and jam the piston.
If the piston is ok you can buy just the seals instead of a whole new caliper.
Thats assuming you've checked its not a sagging/sticking pedal and thats the shortest pipe from the master cylinder to the wheel so the one most likely to show signs of pedal travel.
i re-read this at work and i have a few comments/questions...
the rubber dust shield is very dry and not so supple but i saw no signs of cracking as such.
what do you mean by this pedal travel? the pedal is at the top of its travel and stays there and there doesn't seem to be any sort of 'press the pedal a bit untill it does anything' type affair.
i'll be checking the pads more closely when i get home after work and also for this pedal travel thing if you could fill in my blanks before this...
i'm also worried its the abs system now too since its been mentioned.
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:51 am
by harry_p
if it's only £50 for a recon calliper it makes no sense to have to bugger around with seals etc.
old one off, new one on, bleed it, job done.
if it bothers you that much that ones side will be newer than the other, do both and be happy that neither will need doing for another 20 years or so.
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:57 am
by no2lurch
thansk for the reasurrance. i'll doe the pass sied and see how it goes. i can do the other one at a t a later date.
one more question... if i change just the one caliper, do i need to bleed all 4 corners?
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:43 pm
by georob
Should be able to free them up yourself, plenty wd, seal kit, sorted.
Re: brake servicing
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:12 pm
by gingebmx
Yeah I thought about going that route but decided to let someone else do the work!
I just bled the fronts but if yours havent been done for a while bleed the lot, start from the furtest wheel from the master cylinder