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Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:18 pm
by StuB
Hi All,

I'm pretty sure my car is thirstier than it really ought to be. It's an '89 325i Sport, all standard and runs very well, hot and cold starts no problem and a nice smooth idle.

I've recently renewed the distributor cap (old one was cracked), rotor arm, plugs, air filter, changed the oil and oil filter. Within the past year or so it's had a new timing belt, water pump and thermostat so all should be well engine wise though I must admit I'm yet to get round to checking / setting the tappets and it does tick a little so they probably need doing.

On my last tank of mostly short trips, but always driven very gently it averaged 21mpg (worked out from litres in and miles driven) and on the tank before, which was mostly a long gentle motorway run with very little traffic and light throttle, 29mpg. From reading on here that seems a bit worse than I should be expecting. From previous calculations with mixed driving it rarely seems to get better than 25mpg even in better weather so I feel something is wrong.

Today I checked the blue coolant temp sensor with a multimeter. It read 1400 ohms when cold (wasn't quite cold as used the car some hours earlier) and dropped steadily to 320ohms as the engine warmed up. From checking the Haynes book this seems to be within spec. I note that with the blue sensors plug disconnected the idle isn't as smooth when warming up and it 'chugs' a little and needed some throttle to start so I assume that's doing it's job and getting a signal to the ECU?

Next I checked the wiring as per Brian's advice on previous posts and the plug at the sensor is in good condition under the rubber cover, and the plug and socket under the inlet manifold are very clean with no apparent problems. I can't see where the wiring goes from that plug, looks to join a loom near the starter motor, is there a way to check it further along for continuity, perhaps at the ECU end?

So - where should I be looking next with regard to improving the economy? I was thinking of a chip for the ECU to perk it up a bit / improve the economy but want it running correctly as standard first.

I should add that I asked my MOT man about the mixture last year as I was concerned about the economy (or not!) of this car and he seemed to think the idle mixture was set ok from his gas analyser though I realise the specs can vary widely as to what's acceptable MOT wise and what's correct.

Thanks in advance for any assistance :D

Cheers
Stu

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:39 pm
by leeparkes
25 mpg on mixed driving sounds about right!

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:45 pm
by hubble
I do quite a lot of motorway driving and some town driving and I'm certain I'm getting a much better MPG.
£20 will get over 165 miles. Same engine 325i.

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:52 pm
by leeparkes
hubble wrote:£20 will get over 165 miles.
8O

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:53 pm
by hubble
leeparkes wrote:
hubble wrote:£20 will get over 165 miles.
8O
Yes I know. Old giffer behind the wheel :o: :o:

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:38 pm
by iceox
20 quid. 165 miles? errm are you sure, max ive got out of a tank is 300miles and that me driving steady, i use mine for going to work in and it get about 250 miles to a tank going pretty quick, all varies i sappose.

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:43 am
by hubble
iceox wrote:20 quid. 165 miles? errm are you sure, max ive got out of a tank is 300miles and that me driving steady, i use mine for going to work in and it get about 250 miles to a tank going pretty quick, all varies i sappose.
You've misread my post....

The best I ever got was 365 miles from a FULL tank. Filling up from the orange light. That I believe is a very good indeed. In fact I'll go as far as saying Bloody marvelous considering it's a 20 year old 2.5 engine :)

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:21 pm
by StuB
Thanks for the replies. 21mpg on the last tank seems thirsty even around town as I drive the car very carefully and certainly don't thrash it. More like 25 - 30mpg average would do and make it a fine daily driver but this thirst is a bit much so I don't tend to use the car much and revert to my trusty Mk2 Golf GTI!

Is there anything else (that I've not mentioned above) specific to this model that can affect economy, aside from driving style and weather conditions obviously?

Can anyone comment as to whether a chip for the ECU help at all? :D

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:23 pm
by maxfield
hubble wrote:£20 will get over 165 miles. Same engine 325i.
I didn't get half of that from a 1.6 M40 8O

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:27 pm
by sam325is
Get your injectors ultrasonically cleaned. Massive improvement. I can vouch for that.

Re: Thirsty 325i Sport - checked CTS, what next?

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:51 pm
by DCDC
yeah get them cleaned . brake cleaner makes a big difference .... try it. makes the straight 6 rune a smooth engine .... :cool:

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:38 pm
by StuB
Sam - How much does it cost to get the injectors cleaned ultrasonically?

DCDC - what do you mean about brake cleaner? Take the injectors out and clean them up at home, does that work?

Thanks
Stu

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:44 pm
by Cloggy Saint
StuB wrote:Sam - How much does it cost to get the injectors cleaned ultrasonically?

DCDC - what do you mean about brake cleaner? Take the injectors out and clean them up at home, does that work?

Thanks
Stu
There's a good guide here http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techart ... eaning.htm

edited to include link :o:

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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:52 pm
by BMWAlpinaC2
Get an lpg conversion, cheap motoring.

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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:53 pm
by BMWAlpinaC2
you can get diesel economy by doing so.

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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:02 pm
by e30bmlover
my diagnosis is a heavy right foot.. they can be economical cars( sort of ) but when you drop the proverbial hammer so to speak... shes thirsty!

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:42 am
by StuB
datourer wrote: There's a good guide here http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techart ... eaning.htm

edited to include link :o:
Thanks for the link, much appreciated. Had a quick read through and that looks straightforward enough and worth a try, have bookmarked for future use :thumb:

As for an LPG conversion, I have thought about it but don't do that many miles in the car really to justify it as I have other cars to use. That said, if the E30 was my only car and I did more miles then I'd definitely be going that way.

Heavy right foot - no, far from it I'm afraid. I try to drive the car as economically as possible and keep the 'swingometer' above 30mpg when cruising if possible, very gentle acceleration, no harsh braking, no full throttle etc. Obviously it goes well if you do occasionally put your foot down though... :P