tyre size?

Need technical Q/A then you're in the right place

Moderator: martauto

Post Reply
User avatar
Von_Thrash
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 80
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:39 pm

Got a set of 14" bbs cross spoke alloys i've just refurbed, so now i need tyres. Currently running 195/65 on 14" bottle tops. Not to keen on the balloon like appearance of these, so was thinking 195/50 possibly?? Not sure how much his would affect gearing/speedometer though? . . . .

Any suggestions?
hongkongfuey
Mad-tango-geezer
Posts: 3304
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:00 pm

bigger wheels? if you had 15" you could have 205/50

as for what you got, 195/50 would give you abit more acceleration, less topend
if there wern't people like me,
with cars like mine,
who would you put down to make yourself feel better?
suchy
True Zone Relic
Posts: 6604
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Portsmouth
Contact:

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:06 pm

If you change the rolling radius from standard, then both your gearing and speedometer will be inaccurate. Of course just dropping down a profile size won't affect it massively but still a difference. As HKF mentioned above if you wish to go wish a lower profile tyre then go up in wheel diameter to compensate :D
User avatar
Von_Thrash
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 80
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:28 pm

It's gotta be the 14" wheels for various reasons - no money for anything else being the main one. I gettit that smaller overall rolling radius means better acceleration, less top end. But would a 15mm reduction in profile really be noticable? Saying that would it even be visually noticable? I plan to lower the car a little which will reduce the arch gap. What does everyone else run on 14" wheels?
Grrrmachine
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
Posts: 8043
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:33 pm

A reduction from 195/65 to 195/50 isn't a reduction of 15mm. The 65 and 50 represent a percentage of the width (195), not a millimeter value.

65% of 195 is 127mm
50% of 195 is 97mm

Then remember that's just the sidewall between the rim and the tread, so that's TWO sidewalls to affect the entire diameter of the wheel. So you're changing the diameter by 60mm, or nearly 2.5", which will definitely be noticeable.

Learn to understand tyres, then think seriously about changing them away from standard.
Barx325i
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Posts: 6493
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:47 pm

127 - 97 is exactly a 15mm profile reduction - it's the diameter which is reduced by 30mm :D
Grrrmachine
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
Posts: 8043
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:53 pm

Sorry, I just wanted to explain that a profile reduction doesn't "just" mean 15mm... it counts twice.

Still, it works out at nearly 10% difference to the wheel; that's pretty significant.
User avatar
Von_Thrash
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 80
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:53 pm

Grrrmachine wrote:A reduction from 195/65 to 195/50 isn't a reduction of 15mm. The 65 and 50 represent a percentage of the width (195), not a millimeter value.

65% of 195 is 127mm
50% of 195 is 97mm

Then remember that's just the sidewall between the rim and the tread, so that's TWO sidewalls to affect the entire diameter of the wheel. So you're changing the diameter by 60mm, or nearly 2.5", which will definitely be noticeable.

Learn to understand tyres, then think seriously about changing them away from standard.
Informative :o: thankyou. I know im not the only one who thought the sidewall figue was a measurement rather than a ratio.
User avatar
groovylee
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 356
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Shefford, Beds

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:02 pm

indeed, tyre sizes are a really weird one. prbably the only time you'll see metric, imperial, and a percentage figure when describing one product :mad:

for tyre sizes, try this site:

http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html

it tells you the percentage difference in rolling radius.

HTH
Barx325i
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Posts: 6493
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:03 pm

Grrrmachine wrote:Sorry, I just wanted to explain that a profile reduction doesn't "just" mean 15mm... it counts twice.

Still, it works out at nearly 10% difference to the wheel; that's pretty significant.
no no, well pointed out - it's fact that people aren't aware that the aspect ratio (profile) is a percentage of the width..

If you know your gear & diff ratios, this is what you want to use to calculate the differences in road speed through the gears

it doesn't account for the effect on acceleration, but the effect of tire size is evident through the rev range

http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/revs.html
User avatar
groovylee
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 356
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Shefford, Beds

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:04 pm

loving the link barx :) will bookmark that one :cool:
Grrrmachine
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
E30 Zone Wiki / Team Member
Posts: 8043
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:08 pm

If it helps, I seem to remember that the standard tyre is actually a 185/65 rather than a 195/65. If that's true, then you can go down to 195/60 or a 205/60 (for a 1% difference either way), depending on availability and whether they'll fit the rims.

If it's not 185/65, you're screwed :D
Barx325i
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Engaged to the E30 Zone
Posts: 6493
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 pm

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:12 pm

you're right, it is 185/65 off memory, it should be in the manual :)

No worries Lee, that link is mighty handy 8)
kolee
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 645
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Painswick, Gloucestershire

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:18 pm

NICE BIG FAT TYRES!!!

This is how all E30's should look!
Post Reply