Windows not fitting properly on a 320 converible

Need technical Q/A then you're in the right place

Moderator: martauto

Post Reply
User avatar
_Jay_
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 437
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: London

Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:20 am

Right its a bit hard to explain whats happened but il give it my best lol.

Basically the windows seem to need adjusting to make them fit nicely under the hood but there doesnt seem to be a lot of room to adjust them. To get the window to sit nicely with the rear widow so it doesnt overlap, it wants to sit higher at the rear and lower at the front. This leaves the rear catching the hood slightly, and as I found yesterday while driving, a gap big enough for a fair amount of water to come in even though its only a couple of mm.

So im wondering, can you adjust it so that it sits nicer as it is. Or if I replaced all the mechanism inside the door, would that make it all a bit more tight as there seems to be a bit of play in it at the moment.

The only other thing I was wondering, is if anyone has managed to fit a window drop system like the newer convertibles? If its possible it would be worth doing.

So yeah any advice as to how to get this window sitting nicely would be greatly appreciated!!!
Ziggy
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 11534
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: floating round my tin can...

Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:25 am

Sounds like you might need to adjust the hood rather than the windows?
E30 in need of wiring loom smoke since April '11...
johnt0709
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 2291
Joined: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: West of Scotland

Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:57 pm

If you have a look on wiki there is a good article on adjusting cabbie windows. Have you renewed the hood recently?

You can adjust where the windows stop and the front to rear tilt, the rears can also be adjusted back and forward horizontally (at right angles to the car).
Phase I - Bodywork Complete
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... by+restore
Phase II - 2.8 stroker- Complete
Project II - 325 Motorsport Cabriolet Restoration.
User avatar
_Jay_
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 437
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: London

Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:22 pm

Yeah fitted a new hood but it sits evenly on both sides so dont think thats the problem. Going to look at adjusting the rear window back a touch, so then can get the rear of the front window to sit down a bit and then adjust the height. If all goes well then thats the problem solved.

Any one know of being able to fit the drop down windows from the newer convertibles on to an E30? Would be worth doing if its possible.
User avatar
Ednamillion
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 53
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:00 pm

Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:29 pm

Jay, please post further on your discoveries re this issue, we're having exactly the same.

On the passenger side the top back edge of the window won't sit under the roof. On the drivers side there is some water ingress just above the A-pillar/quarter light. I stripped back the drivers door to try and adjust the window but couldn't see how the adjustment - or range of adjustment - I figured I needed could be done...
User avatar
_Jay_
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 437
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: London

Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:55 pm

It is possible to adjust it quite a bit and quite simple. I had the door card off adjusting it, but the problem is with the rear window. I didnt know the rear window could be adjusted and I didnt have enough time to go looking yet.

So plan is to adjust the rear window so it angles back slightly, then the front can then be evened out so it doesnt overlap the rear and should bring the front gap up. Will take some pictures and then get them up. But off the top of my head if you want to have a go before that, once the door card is off there is a bolt with what looks to be a washer behind it. This will allow the window to open more or less if you slide it up and down. The further down it is, it stops the motor from going as far and therefore doesnt open as much. Thats for the main adjustment. Will take some pictures though to show how to adjust whole thing, and will also take some of the rear when I work how to adjust it lol.
tari
Old Skooler
Old Skooler
Posts: 972
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: East London

Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:06 pm

I have this issue too! I've been told that it's the hood though.. Going to check the hood adjustment wiki to see if that helps!
Image
User avatar
Ednamillion
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 53
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:00 pm

Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:57 pm

_Jay_ wrote:It is possible to adjust it quite a bit and quite simple. I had the door card off adjusting it, but the problem is with the rear window. I didnt know the rear window could be adjusted and I didnt have enough time to go looking yet.

So plan is to adjust the rear window so it angles back slightly, then the front can then be evened out so it doesnt overlap the rear and should bring the front gap up. Will take some pictures and then get them up. But off the top of my head if you want to have a go before that, once the door card is off there is a bolt with what looks to be a washer behind it. This will allow the window to open more or less if you slide it up and down. The further down it is, it stops the motor from going as far and therefore doesnt open as much. Thats for the main adjustment. Will take some pictures though to show how to adjust whole thing, and will also take some of the rear when I work how to adjust it lol.
That'd be great Jay! Busy with an E34 at the moment....
DaveD
E30Zone Wiki Specialist
Posts: 5129
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Sheffield

Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 am

First thing to do is to check if the door is in alignment..they can drop on the hinges, Does the rear window go up OK without catching on the roof .. if it doesn't the roof needs realigning , this is done by adding shims to the roof mounting.
If anyone wants i have the BMW vid for this..just need an email address.
If the rear goes up ok and the door is level the place to start is by setting up the front window, there is a how to guide in the wiki then adjust the rears to match ..also in the wiki
Image
johnt0709
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 2291
Joined: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: West of Scotland

Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:48 am

Sticky in care and detailing - worth a watch
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=167404
Phase I - Bodywork Complete
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... by+restore
Phase II - 2.8 stroker- Complete
Project II - 325 Motorsport Cabriolet Restoration.
DaveD
E30Zone Wiki Specialist
Posts: 5129
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Sheffield

Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:50 am

thats the one I have! :D
Image
User avatar
_Jay_
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 437
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: London

Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:37 am

The rears fit fine, no catching what so ever. The guy who fitted the hood done a top job so no issues with the allignment on it. Doors are fine as had them off that not long ago. So I guess will do the fronts then the rears now, was going to attempt it the other way around.
User avatar
Ednamillion
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 53
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:00 pm

Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:15 pm

DaveD wrote:First thing to do is to check if the door is in alignment..they can drop on the hinges, Does the rear window go up OK without catching on the roof .. if it doesn't the roof needs realigning , this is done by adding shims to the roof mounting.
If anyone wants i have the BMW vid for this..just need an email address.
If the rear goes up ok and the door is level the place to start is by setting up the front window, there is a how to guide in the wiki then adjust the rears to match ..also in the wiki
Is there a trick to determining if the doors are in alignment? Other than visual (they seem fine to me)?

As an added complication....we have a Weismann hard top for the car. When it's on the rear windows are very tight going up (you need to help them along with a pull) and then the passenger door can't be opened without the window dropped a touch. I presume the hardtop can be slid forward and back to possibly free up the rear windows? Which might free up the door opening?

Sorry Jay, I feel as though I'm hijacking your thread.
User avatar
Ednamillion
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 53
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:00 pm

Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:29 pm

johnt0709 wrote:Sticky in care and detailing - worth a watch
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=167404
Haven't watched each one but thanks for posting that link! Really useful at least to see how 'out' the hood might be.

Thanks!
User avatar
_Jay_
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 437
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: London

Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:29 pm

Dont worry mate, saves making a new thread and can help any one else with the same problem. Any news with the hardtop adjustments will help when I eventually get one as well.

Also any one know if its possible to fit the newer drop down windows for when the dorrs are opened from the newer models?
DaveD
E30Zone Wiki Specialist
Posts: 5129
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Sheffield

Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:37 pm

Ednamillion wrote:
DaveD wrote:First thing to do is to check if the door is in alignment..they can drop on the hinges, Does the rear window go up OK without catching on the roof .. if it doesn't the roof needs realigning , this is done by adding shims to the roof mounting.
If anyone wants i have the BMW vid for this..just need an email address.
If the rear goes up ok and the door is level the place to start is by setting up the front window, there is a how to guide in the wiki then adjust the rears to match ..also in the wiki
Is there a trick to determining if the doors are in alignment? Other than visual (they seem fine to me)?

As an added complication....we have a Weismann hard top for the car. When it's on the rear windows are very tight going up (you need to help them along with a pull) and then the passenger door can't be opened without the window dropped a touch. I presume the hardtop can be slid forward and back to possibly free up the rear windows? Which might free up the door opening?

Sorry Jay, I feel as though I'm hijacking your thread.
The fit is just visual ...the top of the door should follow the run of the rear wing

as to the rear window maybe some silicone grease on the seals will help and the front window might need dropping a fraction in adjustment its just suck it and see.
Image
Post Reply