60mm lowering HELP PLEASE!!!

[MarkF]

Hi guys. Can someone please give me some hard and fast advice/recommendations on a good quality -60mm suspension kit for my E30 6cyl coupe. (45mm struts). I am baffled and have been looking thru the site search for ages now. My car is road legal and used for drifting. I want a decent, good VFM kit which will be nice and stiff to cope with the hard driving i do! Realistically the cheaper the better but without totally compromising quality. Im sure this is possible but am struggling to decide as there are so many products available!

ANY help will really be appreciated

Mark

[blitz877]

eibach springs, eibach roll bar kit and bilstein shocks

[Simon13]

whats wrong with cutting 3 coils off the front springs and 2 off the rear?!

[maxfield]

whats wrong with cutting 3 coils off the front springs and 2 off the rear?!

What's right with it?

[Simon13]

go look in the tech section it's what this geezer wrote to someone who wanted to lower their car 60mm as this is what he has done and it's ok

[d6dph]

Simon, kinda O/T but I seem to remember you lowered the alpina 60/40. What springs did you use mate?

[Andyboy]

my E30 6cyl coupe. (45mm struts)

You mean a 2 door 320i I think.........

60mm requires shorter dampers and it's too low. 35mm is plenty.

[Jhonno]

Do we have to be into 'drifting' beat up turds with chopped suspension to be cool these days? Seems like it..

Wonder how many actually attend/compete in proper drift events

[Jhonno]

Simon, kinda O/T but I seem to remember you lowered the alpina 60/40. What springs did you use mate?

Cupkit iirc

[maxfield]

If you think that's OK, you do that. I know someone who cut springs, going over a hill, one side lifted, springs came out as they were not seated properly due to them being cut. Car rolled and he ended up in a really bad state.

If you're lowering 60mm you really need to use shocks too.

[Andyboy]

Do we have to be into 'drifting' beat up turds with chopped suspension to be cool these days? Seems like it..

Wonder how many actually attend/compete in proper drift events

I know, it makes me laugh to see all these 'drift squads' and the adverts for £50 junk on Ebay "1989 520i auto spares or repair DRIFT". Half of these drift kings can just about manage a Gay wheelspin outside the ace cafe or a half arsed donut. Quite sad really but it makes me laugh.

[old_skool]

I know, it makes me laugh to see all these 'drift squads' and the adverts for £50 junk on Ebay "1989 520i auto spares or repair DRIFT". Half of these drift kings can just about manage a Gay wheelspin outside the ace cafe or a half arsed donut. Quite sad really but it makes me laugh.

[Simon13]

Simon, kinda O/T but I seem to remember you lowered the alpina 60/40. What springs did you use mate?

cup kit springs with alpina bilsteins instead of the cupkit boges they come with. I did have 2 sets once upon a time but Oz talked me out of a set.

[d6dph]

I'm guessing they are only available with the shocks?

[Simon13]

yup

[Jhonno]

Do we have to be into 'drifting' beat up turds with chopped suspension to be cool these days? Seems like it..

Wonder how many actually attend/compete in proper drift events

I know, it makes me laugh to see all these 'drift squads' and the adverts for £50 junk on Ebay "1989 520i auto spares or repair DRIFT". Half of these drift kings can just about manage a Gay wheelspin outside the ace cafe or a half arsed donut. Quite sad really but it makes me laugh.

What you talking about.. I am drift king of Brighton Marina.. I once did a phat wheelspin out of the McDonalds car park innit

[tomtomtom]

Hi guys. Can someone please give me some hard and fast advice/recommendations on a good quality -60mm suspension kit for my E30 6cyl coupe. (45mm struts). I am baffled and have been looking thru the site search for ages now. My car is road legal and used for drifting. I want a decent, good VFM kit which will be nice and stiff to cope with the hard driving i do! Realistically the cheaper the better but without totally compromising quality. Im sure this is possible but am struggling to decide as there are so many products available!

ANY help will really be appreciated

Mark

mate, there's so much balls talk about this! i race karts where you actually notice handling traits. i was reluctant to lower my iS because it handled so well, but after discovering a cracked spring decided to fit the lowering springs that were lurking in my garage. lowered it 60/40. it handles different, corners with a lot less roll, feels more precise, is a pain in the arse over speed bumps, if you go over a REALLY bumpy road the front end starts to bounce a tiny tad, but lets face it, the geometry of an E30 is so sorted (even at -60/-40) that even if it does start bouncing there's no significant bump steer so as long as you're not a tosser behind the wheel its all good.

just lower the f*ckin thing! if you're using it for drifting you dont need fancy dampers.

sorry if i killed the banter but ffs, we're not talking about BTCC here!

[Andyboy]

if you go over a REALLY bumpy road the front end starts to bounce a tiny tad

That because the front springs aren't under enough compression and are too soft. What's the coil wire diameter? The standard 12mm or proper 13mm? The trouble with 60mm front springs and standard shocks is that you can fit them without using spring compressors. They're not loose in the strut but with coils being progressive rate (the more you compress them, the stiffer they get), factory springs are under tension even with thw wheels off the ground. Fit short springs to long shocks and you lose this.
With 60mm springs, you are also down on the bump stops. The bump stops and tyre sidewalls are the suspension - that's why it doesn't roll a lot. The bounce is the poor thing lifting up off the bump stops and crashing down again because standard shocks don't have enough rebound stiffness. As an idea, on a standard 318iS there is just 40mm between the top of the bump stop and the top spring plate.
You can fit 60 mm springs but you need the special shorter Bilsteins with internal bump stops (the yellow 'inverted' type). Lowering an E30 properly costs money for proper gear like Bilsteins and Eibach (or H&R) stuff.

[tomtomtom]

its definately not on the bump stops on the front, i agree with what you're saying about the dampers not having enough rebound stiffness for the stiffer springs, its just not a problem to me. to be honest i may have only lowered it 40 mm on the front as i councilled it and bought second hand springs which are unknown!!

[Dave_M3]

Simon, kinda O/T but I seem to remember you lowered the alpina 60/40. What springs did you use mate?

cup kit springs with alpina bilsteins instead of the cupkit boges they come with. I did have 2 sets once upon a time but Oz talked me out of a set.

That set up must have been nice!!!

Friend of mine has Re-valved Bilsteins to the Alpina spec in his touring and the handling is amazing with M-tec springs and 205/50s on Mim 1900s

[MarkF]

Thanks BLITZ887 for the only decent bit of advice i read out of 27 replies... For the record the car already has chopped springs but i decided im gonna get the proper stuff. If cut springs were upto the same job as uprated springs then surely reknowned companies such as Bilstein, eibach, GAZ etc etc would just sell cut down standard units to customers!!! lol

[Dave_M3]

BLITZ gave good advice, but you said you wanted a 60mm drop?
Eibach are around 40-35ish for front and back.

[Jhonno]

Thanks BLITZ887 for the only decent bit of advice i read out of 27 replies... For the record the car already has chopped springs but i decided im gonna get the proper stuff. If cut springs were upto the same job as uprated springs then surely reknowned companies such as Bilstein, eibach, GAZ etc etc would just sell cut down standard units to customers!!! lol

Blitz gave good suspension advice, but its just regurgitated from other threads, not specific to what you want being a drift king.. Eibachs with Billys arent 60mm drop and arent 'stiff' and arent cheap so actually dont meet any of your criteria

KW springs are supposed to be pretty firm

[Andyboy]

Thanks BLITZ887 for the only decent bit of advice i read out of 27 replies...

That's okay Pal, we won't bother again.

[pacerpete]

I have an angle grinder a f4cked 320 and i love doughnuts, does that mean i am a driftc0ck ?

[ed325i]

But have you welded the diff ?

[ric325i]

for cheap goodness you could get jamex stuff?

£200 for the shocks and springs. the set they do keep the springs nice and tight with a -40 drop all round.

dont think they could sell a -60 drop that was not safe.

i dont see a problem with it if they are selling it.

[pacerpete]

But have you welded the diff ?

I was planning to but used all the wire and gas patching up the battery tray on my escort daily driver
The '20 is just a track / drift weapon, i have a ' trampdrift' screen decal as well

[MarkF]

is that a promise Andyboy

[Andyboy]

is that a promise Andyboy

No question mark? Or did you chop it off with a grinder?

Pete, what's wrong with trampdrift Man, a matt black '89 Carlton with cut springs, a welded diff and a bottle of meths in the door pocket. Scene, Dude.

[pacerpete]

is that a promise Andyboy

No question mark? Or did you chop it off with a grinder?

Pete, what's wrong with trampdrift Man, a matt black '89 Carlton with cut springs, a welded diff and a bottle of meths in the door pocket. Scene, Dude.

Hey man, don't be dissing me and my drifter bros. Some of you lot think we are sad council losers who spend all our free time doughnutting £10 satin blacked landfill and watching dodgy jap videos of sparcoed up nips doing c0ck action. You are so wrong, drifting is a lifestyle, man

[Andyboy]

is that a promise Andyboy

No question mark? Or did you chop it off with a grinder?

Pete, what's wrong with trampdrift Man, a matt black '89 Carlton with cut springs, a welded diff and a bottle of meths in the door pocket. Scene, Dude.

Hey man, don't be dissing me and my drifter bros. Some of you lot think we are sad council losers who spend all our free time doughnutting £10 satin blacked landfill and watching dodgy jap videos of sparcoed up nips doing c0ck action. You are so wrong, drifting is a lifestyle, man

I'm very sorry. Please disregard any suggestion that you're a Giro jockey into Linkin Park and "The Fast and the Spurious - Droitwich Drift".

[pacerpete]

No question mark? Or did you chop it off with a grinder?

Pete, what's wrong with trampdrift Man, a matt black '89 Carlton with cut springs, a welded diff and a bottle of meths in the door pocket. Scene, Dude.

Hey man, don't be dissing me and my drifter bros. Some of you lot think we are sad council losers who spend all our free time doughnutting £10 satin blacked landfill and watching dodgy jap videos of sparcoed up nips doing c0ck action. You are so wrong, drifting is a lifestyle, man

I'm very sorry. Please disregard any suggestion that you're a Giro jockey into Linkin Park and "The Fast and the Spurious - Droitwich Drift".

Actually i am unemployed. I got sacked from my last job because i wanted time off to go to a tattoo convention and they wouldn't let me so i did anyway. It was worth it cos i got some very individualistic tribal designs and a M tat cos of my bm !

[Andyboy]

dat's ok Bro, dont let them wankrs lay no heavy sh*t on u jus cos u wanna express urself. all i need is my beema 4 drifting and a few squids for maccy D's and roll ups.

www.park-bench-and-cheap-meths-drift.com

[Simon13]

thing is proper drift cars use a soft setup on the front and mega stiff on the rear. The only way to do this is coilovers setup that way, or custom springs. The car will be utter sh!te on the road and the back end will be trying to overtake you all the time

The likes of eibach, H&R setups are all for fast road and light track use.

For a proper 60mm setup you need H&R cupkit springs with 45mm spec inverted billys with the special collar nut to fit a 51mm strut. As fitted to tech 1 sports. These shocks are nearly 2 inches shorter than a stock boge damper or 51mm HD inverted bilstein. They work perfectly together. No one else makes decent 60mm springs