E30 Zone

why bother !!!! ebay is gay

Get the evolve one, its the best £70 I've spent on a modification. An ebay chip main even loose you hp.

where do i get that an evolve one

Get one from Ant @ A Tech they are around £65.

Use A-Tech or elvolve they are basically the same generic code but i know A-tech chip has some subtle changes which complement the M20B25

id be wary of the claimed 21bhp increase in power.

no was a chip ever going to make 19 hp on a n/a engine, 180 maybe

HairyScreech wrote:no was a chip ever going to make 19 hp on a n/a engine, 180 maybe

i was quoted a 5% ish increase on my old 325 m20 engine from dastek and that was a couple of hundred quid for a chip and set up so thats optimistic imo.
i was told the m20 wasnt particularly responsive to chipping compared to some other engines so smaller increases were expected.

yeah, im thinking 175hp to start with rather than 171. my bad.

HairyScreech wrote:yeah, im thinking 175hp to start with rather than 171. my bad.

no mate, i meant the figures quoted on the o/p ebay link was optimistic not yours

double post

Evolve chip- stunning! January sales, £40, and the change is amazing!TOTALLY different car to drive, its eliminated a flat sport around 2.5-3.0k, decreased fuel consumption and generally made the car better to drive! I couldnt recomend them enough!
BTW i dont have shares in evolve!

i got an evolve chip well worth the money

The chip mentioned at the top of this thread is sold by myself! It is not gay in any way, as many a happy customer and some Zoners will testify (see my Feedback both on here and E-bay).

Speedtouch wrote:The chip mentioned at the top of this thread is sold by myself! It is not gay in any way, as many a happy customer and some Zoners will testify (see my Feedback both on here and E-bay).

Ive got this chip myself and im still well happy with it.
My tourer has loads more get up and go with no loss in mpg
Try it if u dont like it he says he will give you your money back so what you got to loose

Thanks for the plug Wayne, good to hear you're happy with it

oh yes

not being funny but is it posible to dyno one?

Think ben meant ebay in general was gay not your chip maurice

That's OK then! How's your car running now, Steve - did you go back to a 164 ECU in the end? Cheers for the package BTW

No problem mate , Yep still on a 164 and still on the hunt for a 173 mate

Some guys had some for sale in this thread
http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... hlight=173

There is nothing wrong with ebay. You find alot of good parts on ebay, people don't get good feedback for anything.

The A-Tech chip is not similar to the Evolve chip. There are completely different changes made through part throttle and full throttle load sites.

Every Evolve chip is specific to the hardware and software number to the car (and there are quite a few variations) - we don't ask people for their ECU number and chip for no reason. If you don't supply these we don't supply the chip.

Maurice - get some dyno results to prove that + 21bhp claim please!

We used an excellent 325i which gave near enough stock figures and got pretty much perfect fuelling. We increased the ignition timing 2 degrees at a time to the point it was over advanced and lost power.

We managed no more than 14 bhp through the rpm range and 10 bhp at peak. Making a new chip was not rocket science on an old m20 engine especially with a dyno to our disposal. You can only play with ignition timing and fuel and there is no way on earth you can get anywhere near +21 bhp on a stock 325i!

Even Ant's MS'd car which had a brilliant young engine only managed 180-182 bhp.

Not having a dig or trying to cause trouble but there are limits to which you can stretch the truth.

crazyenglishman wrote:

Speedtouch wrote:The chip mentioned at the top of this thread is sold by myself! It is not gay in any way, as many a happy customer and some Zoners will testify (see my Feedback both on here and E-bay).

Ive got this chip myself and im still well happy with it.
My tourer has loads more get up and go with no loss in mpg
Try it if u dont like it he says he will give you your money back so what you got to loose

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Can i get my money back then?

Yes, a small increase in power. (well... a knackered old m20 got 172 bhp with one, no before and after stats).

But massive overfueling, poor torque and obscene mpg figures weren't worth it.

From what I could tell it increased the rev limit to 7k and made the engine overfuel, lots. Nothing else.

I was far happier when I put the original chip back in and had power through the rev range instead of nothing until 4k, and mpg better than 12.

I have the chip, you're welcome to it... would love some if not all of my money back?

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Munky,

are you sure you supplied the correct ECU and software number to Maurice? Are you 100% sure you have the correct ECU in your car?

it's very easy to slag off a product but you must make sure it's the product that's at fault before posting something like that on a public forum.

I have tried a number of aftermarket chips, and they all "feel" much the same to me. Some slight differences in characteristics maybe. An "Alpina" chip I had, had a slightly delayed fuel cut on it, which helped gear changes.

Munky. Check your blue temp sensor. I doubt the chip is at fault - it may however exaggerate a problem you already have.

M5pilot wrote:Munky,

are you sure you supplied the correct ECU and software number to Maurice? Are you 100% sure you have the correct ECU in your car?

it's very easy to slag off a product but you must make sure it's the product that's at fault before posting something like that on a public forum.

I gave him the ecu number, the ecu came with the original engine and loom. Admittedly it was a late loom on an early engine, but the loom and ecu were a matching set taken from an untouched engine.

I'm not slagging it off as such... it DID give what I can only guess was a gain and as i said, there were no before and after rr figures, just an after.

For my engine to put out book bhp figures is nothing short of a miracle so it must have done something.

But at what cost?

The rr session showed my car was overfuelling a huge amount (I'd have been laughed out of an mot) and it was horrible to drive, no power under 4k then an almost vtec like kick at 4k+ and torque figures close to 150.

With the standard chip back in it it was a completely different car. Much smoother power delivery, no 'cough' when I blipped the throttle, WAY better mpg... it even sounded quieter

So you were running a late ECU on an early car. The ECU was mapped and intended for the late engine.

The compression ratio is quite difference.

172 bhp from a 325i in a good state of tune is not a miracle.

I really don't think you can blame Maurice in this instance as he supplied a chip for a different engine which may have potentially a different part number on various sensors.

I can confirm that the changes made to the map on the early engine and late engine are different.

fair enough... Like I said I'm not slating it, I just wasnt happy with it.

I'm happy to edit out my comments if its deemed necessary?

ps, my engine was about as far from 'a good state of tune' as you can get



so.... anyone want to buy one of his chips? I have one going spare... half price (whatever that works out to)

I think the comments are best left because the whole scenario clearly points out how important it is to match the correct engine to the correct ECU.

You've obviously stated that your not slating it so it's all good.

okie dokie... no hard feelings maurice... I wasnt happy with it but if I had been seriously unhappy I'd have been in touch a long time ago.

For the money, any gain is a good thing so I guess they do the job they claim to and are a million miles away from a lot of ebay 'power increasers' such as resistors and intake vortices

M5pilot... a quick question in the hope of a quick answer so i dont get told off for going off topic... but its kinda relevant....

I'm led to believe by a lot of people on here (one of them the e30-omnipotent brian no less) that the late management on an early engine mod is a good thing... but from what you're saying, mating the wrong ecu to the wrong engine isnt so good? Or is it just that subsequent modding of that setup is a bit more tricky than normal?

There is nothing wrong with using the late loom on the early engine as long as your making sure the sensors are all move over also (unless of course they have the same part number!)

You do need to get the chip rewritten on the late ECU though such that the map is similar to that of the early engine mapping.

Best thing - do it and get a Unichip or MAF conversion with unichip done or AFM delete with the Unichip.

192 bhp from a325i with no other mods? What a load of b*ll*cks. If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

But, as the old saying goes - 'bullshit baffles brains'.....plus the other one, 'there's one born every minute.

To be honest I stand back and laugh at all this, claiming outlandish power figures for an antique that only just made 171 bhp when it was new. All to make a few quid as well...............