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Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:27 pm
by bry
Someone has set up a petition on the Downing Street website protesting against EU proposals to curb or ban the use of cars over 10 years old and similarly a plan by Edinburgh City Council to prohibit cars more than 15 years old from driving in the city centre.
I believe this would cover all E30s if it were ever to develop beyond a tofu eating think tank.
Should you wish, you may register your objection to this idea here:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:07 pm
by fuzzy
ive never heard about the edinburgh city plan.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:08 pm
by Rosc0PColtrane
This has been pearoasted loads.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:10 pm
by fuzzy
it will never happen.what would happen with all the classic cars etc?
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:47 pm
by Onz
hehe 2 JAgs would have to sell one of his cars too! lol
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:16 pm
by hammoj28
What exactly is that going to solve? What a bunch of fucking retards.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:25 pm
by Dr Firefly
I'm sure we could just transplant in more modern engines to get round it? They wouldn't have a leg to stand on. That would exclude the mayor's car (a 88 Bentley I think) in Nottingham!
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:39 pm
by bodger
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:51 pm
by bigun
its going ahead in london as of the 4th feb 08 i cant go into london in my wagon because its not a bluetec engine it has te be a bluetec 3 engine to qualify and they are currently on bluetec 5
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:33 pm
by hammoj28
Its ridiculous. Really pissed me off. Dont think they will manage it though. How many poeple in the U.K are into old cars? Quite a few id think...
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:51 pm
by SK360
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:54 pm
by doughboy
Myabe it's a safety issue.
Hang on...don't most of the tubes have 196* stamped on the doorways.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:04 pm
by fuzzy
wouldnt matter if every single person in the country signed up against it. the politicians regard joe public to be to stupid to understand these issues so they ignore majority opinion and carry on as they please regardless.then blame someone else at election time.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:21 pm
by hammoj28
True, whatever we say doesn't matter. The bunch of fucking bastards will do what they want anyway. Revolution is what we need!
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:31 pm
by Hakkera
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:32 pm
by Speedtouch
They'd better ensure we all get better wages to afford to be able to buy new cars then...
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:34 pm
by hammoj28
Better wages so i can build myself a brand new E30 or put a newer engine in it.lol. That or im fucking off.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:40 pm
by bodger
im seriously looking at moving abroad, this country is fu**ed, they make it harder and harder for all us british but let every foreign c**t in, give them a council house and stck em on income support, whilst we work are knackers off to pay taxes for these c**ts
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:47 pm
by fuzzy
Speedtouch wrote:They'd better ensure we all get better wages to afford to be able to buy new cars then...
thats the point. its so joe public cant afford a new car due to having his wallet squeazed to its limit to pay the ever increasing and way out of sinc with our wage rises ,taxes and charges on everything from council tax to income tax so freeing up the roads for the fat cats and politicians to waft about unhindered on jam free roads without having to be held up by the nuisance public scum in their old bangers.
chip on my shoulder? not me.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:52 pm
by hammoj28
Yep, the country has got to start sticking up for ourselves sooner or later otherwise they are just going to keep on walking all over us!! And they are doing a pretty fucking good job of it already.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:21 pm
by e30bmlover
this is the stupidest thing i have ever read in my entire existance on this shitty planet.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:49 pm
by hammoj28
Yeah, iv realised that now. I posted it up on another forum and i was reassured it will never happen.lol
Quoted:
This will never happen. It would result in loads of lost revenue for the goverment, therefore they'd never do it. Just like banning smoking or drinking which they openly admit are the biggest killers and a massive drain on the health service, but they make too much tax from them so they'll let them remain.
If they banned cars over ten years old, you'd loose the parts suppliers, the specialist garages, the manufaturers of said parts, all the shows, tuning places, race events, specialist shops etc This would result in a lot of lost taxes both in VAT, corporate tax, business rates, and PAYE from wages. There would also be a lot of people put onto the end of the unemployment que.
There would be a national outcry at the fact you couldn't see our motoring herritage on the streets. The scrap yards physically couldn't cope. The second hand car market would be destroyed for anything approaching/past 10 years old while the rest of the market would go through the roof (basic supply and demand principals).
The insurance market would loose a massive amount of revenue and companie would close.
It'll not happen !!!!
If you want a petition to sign, start one for a vote of no confidence in our current Labour Goverment.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:52 pm
by nickso
hammoj28 wrote:Yeah, iv realised that now. I posted it up on another forum and i was reassured it will never happen.lol
Quoted:
This will never happen. It would result in loads of lost revenue for the goverment, therefore they'd never do it. Just like banning smoking or drinking which they openly admit are the biggest killers and a massive drain on the health service, but they make too much tax from them so they'll let them remain.
If they banned cars over ten years old, you'd loose the parts suppliers, the specialist garages, the manufaturers of said parts, all the shows, tuning places, race events, specialist shops etc This would result in a lot of lost taxes both in VAT, corporate tax, business rates, and PAYE from wages. There would also be a lot of people put onto the end of the unemployment que.
There would be a national outcry at the fact you couldn't see our motoring herritage on the streets. The scrap yards physically couldn't cope. The second hand car market would be destroyed for anything approaching/past 10 years old while the rest of the market would go through the roof (basic supply and demand principals).
The insurance market would loose a massive amount of revenue and companie would close.
It'll not happen !!!!
If you want a petition to sign, start one for a vote of no confidence in our current Labour Goverment.
but they could still go for a similar setup to the japanese, which is just as awful really.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:09 pm
by hammoj28
I really dont see that happening. Also could you not get round that with an engine rebuild every 50k?? technically.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:24 pm
by Dr Firefly
nickso wrote:hammoj28 wrote:Yeah, iv realised that now. I posted it up on another forum and i was reassured it will never happen.lol
Quoted:
This will never happen. It would result in loads of lost revenue for the goverment, therefore they'd never do it. Just like banning smoking or drinking which they openly admit are the biggest killers and a massive drain on the health service, but they make too much tax from them so they'll let them remain.
If they banned cars over ten years old, you'd loose the parts suppliers, the specialist garages, the manufaturers of said parts, all the shows, tuning places, race events, specialist shops etc This would result in a lot of lost taxes both in VAT, corporate tax, business rates, and PAYE from wages. There would also be a lot of people put onto the end of the unemployment que.
There would be a national outcry at the fact you couldn't see our motoring herritage on the streets. The scrap yards physically couldn't cope. The second hand car market would be destroyed for anything approaching/past 10 years old while the rest of the market would go through the roof (basic supply and demand principals).
The insurance market would loose a massive amount of revenue and companie would close.
It'll not happen !!!!
If you want a petition to sign, start one for a vote of no confidence in our current Labour Goverment.
but they could still go for a similar setup to the japanese, which is just as awful really.
What's the Japanese setup?
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:40 pm
by hammoj28
Im not exactly positive but someone mentioned something about you can only keep your car for a few years or untill 50000miles but i cant quite believe that as theres quite a big classic car following over there. Not sure how it works.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:48 pm
by mash
I remember reading they were doing the same thing in Berlin, which meant the iconic old Trabants were banned from the city centre. Berlin without dirty old Trabants
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:29 pm
by mattyb
i think in japan it something like once the car is ten years old the tax goes through the roof, so it makes more sense to sell the car and get a new one.
not 100% sure but something like that.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:49 pm
by nickso
im not sure on the exact details but i think the rougher the car the higher the tax. i believe even paint defects make it more expensive, hence the amount of imports from japan, particularly to aussie and new zealand.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm
by Onz
that will also help the tuning scene. We will have to have niceer old cars on the road so more imagination might go into car tuning
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:03 pm
by nzracer
nickso wrote:im not sure on the exact details but i think the rougher the car the higher the tax. i believe even paint defects make it more expensive, hence the amount of imports from japan, particularly to aussie and new zealand.
Very true! Had them for as long as i can remember!
However they tent to be more pricey in austraila and they didnt get the 'Ghost editions' that we did in nz
But thats Japan, they have a throw away culture. It also helped the car industry grow to the size it is now id say.
Here in brittion inless you can afford a aston, bentley, range rover etc then you cant really support the industry over here (Rover anyone) in that manner anyway, so the govt cant use japans excuse.
Also if its for, lets say... carbon, glabal warming ect.. then surley if we for example being owners of 10-20 year old cars were made to scrap them and buy newer cars, that would increse carbon more(scraping, newcar, the old owner needs new car, more cars getting made in factorys.. you get the point) than keeping our cars well maintained ond on the road!
Just another tax excuse id say
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:21 am
by nickso
nzracer wrote:nickso wrote:
Also if its for, lets say... carbon, glabal warming ect.. then surley if we for example being owners of 10-20 year old cars were made to scrap them and buy newer cars, that would increse carbon more(scraping, newcar, the old owner needs new car, more cars getting made in factorys.. you get the point) than keeping our cars well maintained ond on the road!
Just another tax excuse id say
hmm but that argument assumes that the people making the legislation actually have a clue what they are talking about and understand the implications involved in such a major decision.
british government has none of these things right now, nor are they likely to have it in the near future.
want to swap your passport and identity for mine??
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:20 pm
by Gibson
Its mostly because of the Japanese MOT equivalent i believe.
from what i have heard, you have to have the entire braking system replaced (cant remember how often) and other safety related parts like tyres and suspension, so its cheaper to replace the car.
and as already posted thats why we get so many cheap grey imports over here.
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:15 pm
by tristan325
hammoj28 wrote:True, whatever we say doesn't matter. The bunch of ******* bastards will do what they want anyway. Revolution is what we need!
No what you ALL need to do is vote the F'*?king idiots out come the next general election! Petitions do bugger all. Never have never will.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE!
Re: Cars Over 10 years Old
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:20 pm
by fuzzy
tristan325 wrote:hammoj28 wrote:True, whatever we say doesn't matter. The bunch of ******* bastards will do what they want anyway. Revolution is what we need!
No what you ALL need to do is vote the F'*?king idiots out come the next general election! Petitions do bugger all. Never have never will.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE!
the problem is no body offers anything different. the same old ideas, policies and faces but wrapped up in a different coloured party ribbon.
and if they do offer something at election time its quickly forgotten soon after before reverting back to the same old snouts in the trough lining their own pockets routine.
fu**ing b*****ds, the fu***ng state of this country and these guys are pissing about wasting our fu***ng tax money on this shite, bring back maggie 
