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im doing some fishing for ideas for prices for a change to my cosworth touring. im thinking along the lines of the 400bhp e39 s62 engine.
i would also prefer to use someone from here with the proven track record and will deliver the car to them where ever they are in the uk when the time comes rather than use the diddy 'specialists' up here again.
im needing a rough idea of a complete supply and fit drive in drive out cost.
my cossie conversion cost me £2600 in labour only charges with about £4000+ more spent on buying the nessesary components so im aware of the sort of figures we would be talking
post up here or pm me if prefered and although the s62 is my idea at the moment im always open to different suggestions

Glenn would be a good start dude
he has done the E39 M5 engine conversion before

S62 sounds good to me. I would have a go at your brakes first mind.

Why not S65 or S85

maxfield wrote:S62 sounds good to me. I would have a go at your brakes first mind.

Why not S65 or S85

s85 will be well out of my range and i dont know what the s65 is
glenn is one of the guys i had in mind for this if he's interested but at the moment its an idea for prices for these or similar conversions with a view to getting it done early next year if circumstances allow. i will get a few grand in for my cossie stuff to kick it all off.

a new S62 is about £12,000 from bmw, my neighbour had one fitted underwarranty a few years ago, and a good seconhand one isn't miles cheaper

S65 is out of the E92 M3.

i expect the s65 is about 20k's worth of engine.

I've seen an acident damaged M5 in the Autotrader this week for £8k, wasn't badly damaged so plenty to be re-couped from fragging the goodies you don't need.

maxfield wrote:S62 sounds good to me. I would have a go at your brakes first mind.

Why not S65 or S85

Brakes would have to be totally changed anyway as no room for a servo with an S62 Max.
Whats made you want to out the YB Fuzzy?

hes finally seen the light, 4 cylinders isnt enough!

YB's these days can easily go to 500bhp, and it will cost less getting this from the stage it's at now than fitting any equaly powefull bmw engine.

the e39 M5 engine has it issues fuzzy, i'd think carefuly a bout what you want from the car in terms of performance. you know the limmits of a YB, maybe it might be worth investing into your YB, you have plenty of space in the engine bay to have the big rads and intercoolers to keep it in check to run 500bhp and you are more that half way there already and if you choose to sell it further down the line you have more chance of getting your money back, cossi lums still go for stron money and its an it has wider appeal to any potential buyer

in all i recon you will need to account £5000 in labour and fabrication and some custom parts to do i right, at the cost of that the engine a box etc. there is lots of trial an error, and even it being a long term project which no mechanic can charge an hourly rate for it eventually tots up

oh wiring will also be an issue, it cause agrro on an s50 conversion so an s62 will be a nighmare unless oyu are brianmoore

have a word with glen as he's done in once. i knw some one who may be tempted but its not going to be cheap either way, this is a £10,000 swop minumim.

Agree with Kos, stick with the YB swop you already have and tune that a tad more, better the devil you know and all that Jazz.

S62 swop would be awesome but cost prohibitive unless you can rease most of the coin selling what you have already..

have a look on you tube at the turbo m50 guys from sweden etc.i would love one of these.dont know how much it costs to build them but some are ridiculous horsepower figures.they look great fun

SPADGE wrote:

maxfield wrote:S62 sounds good to me. I would have a go at your brakes first mind.

Why not S65 or S85

Brakes would have to be totally changed anyway as no room for a servo with an S62 Max.
Whats made you want to out the YB Fuzzy?

nothing in particular. i get bored after a while and change things just for changes sake just playing with ideas for next year

s62 into an e30?
not a project to be taken lightly.
getting the engine and gearbox in, is relatively easy
engine mountings not too bad
exhaust manifolds, not easy
the engine is so wide, that the brakes (master cylinder) need a lot of thought.
and probably a hundred or so other things to plan/sort, as with most engine conversions,
but the big headache is the wiring,
can/bus component linking and some of the management system is digital.
with the parts and labour costs, you could probably buy a sport evo!

if you still want a big V8, what about the chevy ls series
5.7 litre, endless tuning possibilities, and a wiring system that doesn't need someone from nasa to sort out

I think I'd stay with the YB too, 380bhp can be had reliably out of a YB, as long as everything is ARP'd! The YB is cheap to fix too and as has been said, there is alot of room under there if anything does go wrong. Although the S62 is 400 BHP its all at the top end whereas once the turbo is fully boosted at pretty low revs from the YB with the right turbo, I am sure the YB will be marginally quicker, if you could stop it wheelspinning!!

Having said that, the S62 route would make it nicer to drive around town and just general cruising around.

glenn wrote:if you still want a big V8, what about the chevy ls series
5.7 litre, endless tuning possibilities, and a wiring system that doesn't need someone from nasa to sort out

That right there would be my plan if I do another engine swap. Buy a crate motor from the states and drop it in.

ste wrote:

glenn wrote:if you still want a big V8, what about the chevy ls series
5.7 litre, endless tuning possibilities, and a wiring system that doesn't need someone from nasa to sort out

That right there would be my plan if I do another engine swap. Buy a crate motor from the states and drop it in.

+1

I read that an LS1 is similar weight to an S14 as its an alloy black and alloy heads - surely that can't be correct?

my brother in law has that 5.7l v8 in landrover 90. its awsome power but shit chassis for it

It would be my choice too

ste wrote:I read that an LS1 is similar weight to an S14 as its an alloy black and alloy heads - surely that can't be correct?

i think that the 'small block' lumps are very light.. it is the way i will go with my next project me thinks (unless i go series 1 mustang but thats another story)

ste wrote:I read that an LS1 is similar weight to an S14 as its an alloy black and alloy heads - surely that can't be correct?

It is only a couple of lbs heavier. See V8M3 on here with his orange Jaggermeister? Do a search, all in there.

That car was simply awesome, and eirily sounded very similar to a BMW!

ShepsEvo3 wrote:See V8M3 on here with his orange Jaggermeister? Do a search, all in there.

Yep I've followed his progress from back when the car was Grey and had a Rover V8 in it. It's an awesome motor.

Jhonno wrote:

ste wrote:

glenn wrote:if you still want a big V8, what about the chevy ls series
5.7 litre, endless tuning possibilities, and a wiring system that doesn't need someone from nasa to sort out

That right there would be my plan if I do another engine swap. Buy a crate motor from the states and drop it in.

+1

+2

Andy335Touring wrote:

Jhonno wrote:

ste wrote: That right there would be my plan if I do another engine swap. Buy a crate motor from the states and drop it in.

+1

+2

+3!

i cant believe that on a bmw forum most are advising me to stick with my ford lump
that wasnt expected

fuzzy wrote:i cant believe that on a bmw forum most are advising me to stick with my ford lump
that wasnt expected

we are trying to steer you to towards an LS1 V8

stick with the ford lump if ure just after pure power....

if u like NA, then get an ///M engine like the e39 v8 in there.... superior to crate motors from us, but u will pay for it!!!

you had any more thoughts on this mate ?

Kos wrote:you had any more thoughts on this mate ?

just lots of ideas rattling about in my head like peas in an oil drum.
i suppose after the cash ive spent puting the engine right it would be madness to sell it for another unknown quantity. £450 will take the power from my cossie engine upto a more respectable 330 bhp . or by bypassing the dark green injectors i could go for greys and max my turbo out at about 360bhp. my problem is once i get stuck to an idea i wont deviate from it no matter how much it costs.very much spur of the moment

Rip the YB out build it to a strong spec and stick a big turbo on it! Then hope it's reliable

Karan wrote:stick with the ford lump if ure just after pure power....

if u like NA, then get an ///M engine like the e39 v8 in there.... superior to crate motors from us, but u will pay for it!!!

ive never driven an n/a engined car with the same power as my cossie to compare the power delivery. i like the kick up the arse and the fighting the fishtail moments that the boost of a turbo gives me. gets the blood pumping first thing in the morning

big power naturaly aspirated is nice, i prefer it but it comes at a HUGE cost. i drove the V12 touring dips has, now thats mental !! its all about the torque and power delivary, not to mention the noise !

build a strong YB, i've been out in a harvy gibbs ( it think it was them ) built real 400 bhp 3 door and that was plenty quick

maxfield wrote:Rip the YB out build it to a strong spec and stick a big turbo on it! Then hope it's reliable

its an everyday workhorse car max. my goal has always been to get as close to the 400bhp mark as i can but keeping it as reliable and useable as i can. i dropped 2 hotside sizes when i replaced my turbo going from a .63 to a .48. i lost out top end with about 370bhp being the realistic limit but gained low down as my boost now comes in at 1400rpm instead of the 2500rpm that it used to be making it quicker of the mark from a standing start. ive always felt that once you take a cossie over the 400bhp level then it becomes a failure just waiting to happen and thats when they become really expensive lumps

5 grand spent on your YB will make it strong, £5000 will not get you very far with the M5 V8.