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What causes Tram lining?
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:45 pm
by SilverShadow
Boys just wondering whats causing my car to tram line?
Is it the width of the tyre (
205/40/17) or the size of the wheel 17''?
Im running 205/40/17 rubber on 7.5x17 wheels
Any feed back would be much appreciated

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:16 pm
by jam172
IMHO usually caused by mis-matched tyres although i have known it on a brand new set of yokos, the lower the profile of the tyre the worse it seems to be. Some tyres just don't seem to suit some cars

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:33 pm
by E30BeemerLad
all sorts of things can cause tramlining
1- incorrect offset used - so the track width of the vehicle is altered
2- worn tyres, if the inside of the tyre is scrubbed away due to poor alignment
3- poor alignment
4- worn suspension bushes causing poor alignment/ suspension geometry
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:55 pm
by Rosc0PColtrane
5. Not sporting the immortally brilliant and god like BBS wheels.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:58 pm
by garyp_E30_325i
E30BeemerLad wrote:all sorts of things can cause tramlining
1- incorrect offset used - so the track width of the vehicle is altered
2- worn tyres, if the inside of the tyre is scrubbed away due to poor alignment
3- poor alignment
4- worn suspension bushes causing poor alignment/ suspension geometry
All of the above plus worn or badly adjusted suspension (if it's adjustable), wrong suspension bushes (don't laugh, I've seen it!), incorrectly sized / fitted wheel spacers (are you using spacers?), bent track rod arms... anything which affects your suspension/steering geometry...
Have you had the car a while? If it's just started to 'tram line' then check what's changed first (general rule for all issues), I assume that's why you're asking about the wheels & tyres.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:53 pm
by SilverShadow
I have had the car for more than 5 yrs!
OK OK, im riding on BK's, the tyre look ito be in good condition, plenty of tread on them. The car passed it MOT in June with no issues on suspension, bushes etc?
Im not using any sort of spacers etc, all tyres are matching??
Could it be due to the wonderful wheels i'm riding on?
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:57 pm
by maxfield
SilverShadow wrote:Could it be due to the wonderful wheels i'm riding on?
Yes.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:09 pm
by SilverShadow
Cheers MAxfield!
I need shot of these wheels! lol
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:10 pm
by maxfield
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:14 pm
by SilverShadow
I've got some lurrrrrrvly 16'' Hartges which are waiting to go on!
I don't want disappointments when i put them on!
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:15 pm
by maxfield
SilverShadow wrote:I've got some lurrrrrrvly 16'' Hartges which are waiting to go on!
Not arguing with that...
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 pm
by garyp_E30_325i
SilverShadow wrote:I have had the car for more than 5 yrs!
OK OK, im riding on BK's, the tyre look ito be in good condition, plenty of tread on them. The car passed it MOT in June with no issues on suspension, bushes etc?
Im not using any sort of spacers etc, all tyres are matching??
Could it be due to the wonderful wheels i'm riding on?
As E30 Beemerlad said: wrong offset.
As I said: spacers
i.e. BK's are mostly VW offset (at least the 4x100 PCD are) in which case you'll need c20mm spacers, or change the wheels.
If you have 16" Hartge's go for it!

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:43 pm
by munky30
16: stretched tyres.
Mainly caused by big wheels and low profile tyres.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:50 pm
by Simon13
E30's are bad on 17's, 18's are terrible
they will tramline with 16's if they are on mismatched sh!te tyres too
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:40 pm
by chief
sorry to butt in guys
what is tramlining !!

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:42 pm
by E30BeemerLad
when your car gets caught in the grooves in the road and the wheel gets pulled about in your hands
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:43 pm
by ian332isport
You don't need to have any faults on the car to have tramlining issues. My car used to tramline really badly on Bridgestone S03 tyres, but not at all with Goodyear GSD3's.
Ian.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:44 pm
by chief
aagghh
thats what it is
had this in the mrs diesel fiesta when in grooves on m3(road that is not one of gods beautiful creations)
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:22 pm
by murran
can happen in any car driving in the slow lane of a motorway due to the trucks and lorrys rutting/effecting the tarmac!