E30 Zone

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:39 am**

this is by no means a lie, today i went up to bicester to drop my rather sorry looking M3 off to the bodyshop for some much needed love (the heat sheild for the exhaust fell off on the way too) and i arrived at my fathers house to hear him boasting about how fast his marea tdi estate is.

At this point im ripping the piss, he said oh yeh you wait it'll have your m3... yeh ok dad what everrrrrr!

he's fitted some propane system to it, something he's marketing at the moment, i dont know much about it at this stage other than my experience today.

Anyway we drive out of his village and i see him raise his hand then count down from three than bang as soon as i see knuckles im accelerating from 3rd ready to overtake, then nothing, not even sooty smoke, he just pulled away

redlined it up into 4th never even made it to 5th and he was maybe 4-5 car lenghts in front.

I was well and truely owned today, especially when he told be he never changed down he just put his foot down in 5th and started backing off when the clutch was slipping, all that from a standard fiat marea tdi with gas....maybe my M3 has issues

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:45 am**

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:46 am**

A mate of mine at work has a Skoda Fabia VRS - the 1.9 turbo diesel sporty thing.

A few times we have ended up having a bit of a dice down the lanes to work, and my E30 335i does have trouble seeing him off!

And if it's wet I have no chance, he laughs when he sees me slithering around in third gear and his traction control and six speed gearbox is making good use of his 230lb/ft of torque!

I bet I know who's having a more fun / exciting drive to work though!

That propane gas thing sounds very interesting, any more details?

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:51 am**

ive not got much info on it at the moment, its something new that my father is marketing very shortly, basically if you own a tdi, this setup will make your car silly fast and stupidly cheap to run according to my father, i guess its like lpg for petrol cars but this is like having nos in the tank

Im still in shock tbh, im even half considering shopping the E36 touring in for a tdi just to experience the fun :lol:

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:53 am**

That would have made me cry to be honest...

... but with all this latest technology, it can be expected... i was neck an neck with a e46 M3 today and that made me

...

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:55 am**

Fast it maybe............but..........
1. its a diesel
2. I haven't the foggiest what a Fiat whatever looks like but I bet its pig ugly
3. Its got a boot full of propane.

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:02 am**

hahaha that did make me feel better, too bad his clutch didnt burn out though

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:48 am**

still a butt fugly fiat tho.. should have taken him down the twisties

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:17 am**

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:42 am**

the modern diesel is an amazing lump, our boss at work has just got a brand new top of the range audi a6 3.0 tdi quattro. hes had it superchipped. supposed to be putting out over 500 ftlbs of torque. its just amazing, the way you put your foot down the auto box flips thru a couple of gears and in what seems like a miniscule amount of time your doin 120!! why people bother buying the new rs4 i dont know ive driven a couple ands its just not that fast!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:03 am**

more info on this gas kit please, will it work on a merc vito

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:11 am**

propane = lpg (ish). afaik LPG is usually a butane / propane mix.

i know diesels do work well on LPG, as will any FI car as it's a higher octane rating and comes out of the bottle chilled!

my mate (tommyc on here) has fabia vrs and h said he read (on the briskoda forum

) about a fabia vrs on lpg that was getting something like 250bhp and 380lb.ft and an equivalent of 70mpg around town

i'm not bothered though, i like the smell of petrol and driving sideways!!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:01 am**

mattG wrote:more info on this gas kit please, will it work on a merc vito

if anyone wants any more info on this id be happy pass on your email address's to my father, like i say i have no idea i only learned about it yesterday.

I think he's getting silly Mpg out of it too, hence why i was thinking of getting a tdi and fitting it, i tend to do alot of miles so, 70mpg is quite attractive especially at that speed

auto's are the spawn of the devil imo :lol:

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:20 am**

lolz, i got done by a corsa.

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:29 am**

There's nothing particularly new about this - it's the equivalent of nitrous for diesels. You feed propane vapour into the diesel's air inlet and it is ignited in the combustion chamber by the diesel igniting under compression.
Just holding an unlit propane blowlamp near the air intake will give the effect.
The problems arise in metering the propane flow in such a way as to prevent the engine going into self destruct mode.
Power gains can be considerable, and a slight decrease in running costs can be achieved, simply because there is less road tax on the propane compared with diesel.

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:30 am**

i spoke to him just now and he said he's fitted the same system to his mates fiat doblo van and because its so fast it causes near misses on roundabouts because drivers pull out thinking they will pass in time

he also said it spins wheels in 3rd!!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:28 am**

Dude....I feel for you, you really did get owned.

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:33 am**

your not involved in your dads marketing of this product are you?

my m3 was beaten by a diesel with a wonder tuning product that my dad just happens to be selling

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:34 am**

Fiat Maria Dude wrote:All your M3's are belong to us

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:37 pm**

retro-wheels wrote:
mattG wrote:more info on this gas kit please, will it work on a merc vito
if anyone wants any more info on this id be happy pass on your email address's to my father, like i say i have no idea i only learned about it yesterday.

I think he's getting silly Mpg out of it too, hence why i was thinking of getting a tdi and fitting it, i tend to do alot of miles so, 70mpg is quite attractive especially at that speed

auto's are the spawn of the devil imo

I'm definitly interested, could you tell him to email me a few details about it please isam_don@hotmail.com, thanks

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:39 pm**

You can always go for the 335d lump with 360 bhp and 700nm of torque...

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:52 pm**

But always remember FIAT= Fix it Again Tommorow

So eventually like all fiats it will break!

Posted: **Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:59 pm**

fuzzy wrote:your not involved in your dads marketing of this product are you?
my m3 was beaten by a diesel with a wonder tuning product that my dad just happens to be selling

After re-reading my inital post i thought it may come across that way but it was'nt intential i was just a bit shocked at how fast a crappy tdi marea could be so quick!!

I have nothing to do with what he's marketing/developing i refurbish and sell wheels lol

made my mind up today that i want a bike now for work instead of a tdi car, they are economical and i wont have to wait in traffic for hours on end

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:27 am**

they are racing with diesels now, was it not a diesel car that won at the 24hr lemans ?

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:31 am**

Yeah, Audi diesel won LeMans this year and last year! Peugeot diesel also came second this year.

The diesel LeMans cars are strangely quiet too!

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:18 am**

In my country many ppl use metan in the car,
wery cheap , but one down side the tank is too heavy and usualy into car like Lada Samara they put 2 tanks so it's pretty heavy
the pressure is around 60 atmosphears and LPG is 15 -20 atm. but it's god damn cheap

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:13 pm**

strangely quiet, eerily quiet more like especially when you compare it with the panoz and Corvettes that were racing, there is an advert for peugeot where that have made the 908 sound louder then it actually is because its actually so quiet

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:31 pm**

My Golf GT TDI can fair rattle along HUUGE torque going to get it re-mapped soon,it can see a fair amount of petrol Gti types off and does 50/60 mpg and looks the part,Jazz Blue pearl,18" RS4 alloys,lowered blah blah.

I like it!

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:36 pm**

Who says E30 M3's still cut the mustard...

Round a track would be a different matter...

Posted: **Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:52 pm**

Frenchy wrote:My Golf GT TDI can fair rattle along HUUGE torque going to get it re-mapped soon,it can see a fair amount of petrol Gti types off and does 50/60 mpg and looks the part,Jazz Blue pearl,18" RS4 alloys,lowered blah blah.

I like it!

Sorry but i had a 150bhp 6 speed golf for a few months and i can assure you it would not see off a 1.8t GTI no where near!

retro-wheels Sure you dont have the 165bhp edition M3?

Posted: **Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:58 am**

murran wrote:the modern diesel is an amazing lump

Until it goes wrong. Any idea how much VAG injectors cost?

BMW 3.0d's are horrid things. The injectors seize into the head rendering the head scrap or at least in need of serious work. Because the injectors fit on top of the cam cover you can't even access the head bolts to remove the head and get them pressed out. I've seen main dealers using bastard great slide hammers and STILL they don't budge. Tales of engine cranes being used and a car being lifted on an injector (!) are not unknown.
The diesel was at it best in stuff like the old 405 Peugeot TD, Mondeo TD etc. Not the last word in refinement but they went okay, were reliable and easy/cheap to fix.
New stuff is great when it's new but awful when it's done a few miles. Injectors, turbos, air mass meters, ECU's are all a nightmare.
I can see petrol engines coming back at some point, a big capacity long stroke low revving engine with a light pressure turbo. BMW developed he Eta concept and the 524td at the same time and the Eta was the better car. It had better economy (28 average and 35 on a run) and was a lot nicer to drive. However BMW, obsessed with out-doing MB - concentrated on the diesel which was a shame as the Eta could have been developed into something really good capable of 45 mpg.

Posted: **Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:02 am**

Andyboy wrote:
murran wrote:the modern diesel is an amazing lump
Until it goes wrong. Any idea how much VAG injectors cost? BMW 3.0d's are horrid things. The injectors seize into the head rendering the head scrap or at least in need of serious work. Because the injectors fit on top of the cam cover you can't even access the head bolts to remove the head and get them pressed out. I've seen main dealers using bastard great slide hammers and STILL they don't budge. Tales of engine cranes being used and a car being lifted on an injector (!) are not unknown.
The diesel was at it best in stuff like the old 405 Peugeot TD, Mondeo TD etc. Not the last word in refinement but they went okay, were reliable and easy/cheap to fix.
New stuff is great when it's new but awful when it's done a few miles. Injectors, turbos, air mass meters, ECU's are all a nightmare.

Diesel = Farm traffic.

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