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ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:00 pm
by pegase747
Hello to all,

My name is Pierre and I am french, so please excuse my english...

I've been reading this forum for a while, and decided to register.
I am 30 yo, I work in a big airline as an aircraft line maintenance engineer, and I am stationned now in Osaka/Japan, since 2 years.

I still have my house and car in France.
I can only drive it for a month, every 6 months or so...

Short story before introduce my car :

here is my 1st BMW, a '74 BMW2002 that I restaured ( paint, chrome bits, leather seats ) before selling it once I baught my house.
here it is before the sale, 5 years ago, still missing it :

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Now here is my 1st E30 :

a '88 325i, phase 2.

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After having this 325i for a year, I was contaminated, got the virus, so I went to test-drive an other E30, and I fell in love at first sight.
I was so happy, that despite its price, I baught it right away, and that was the best choice, because now the price for those cars are going higher.

Meet my car since 4 years :

ALPINA B3 2.7 !!

I baught it with 118000km ( 170000 km now or a bit more than 100000 Miles ) on the clock, and had all the maintenance bills from BMW workshops, all the maintenance history of the car is known.

Those cars are as rare in France as in the UK, there was no Sytner in here, but they were registered officially one by one from Garage du Bac, a BMW dealer near Paris.
That is not the case anymore, so it is really hard to get an Alpina with french papers now ( dealing with french administration to import an Alpina in France takes around 3 years and there is no guarantee that you can get plates... !!!! ). The UK way is better in my opinion, you can register basically whatever you want, right ??

Quick reminder on Alpina factory :

As probably most of you know, Alpina is a car "factory" registered as such in Germany and not a tuner, so every Alpina cars are dully registered as "Alpina" brand and not modified BMW. My registration certificate doesn't mention BMW anywhere. This is the case since the early 80's and doesn't apply to E21's and early E30's.

When an Alpina is built, here is the process : the car leaves the BMW factory as a 325i or whatever, then it goes to Alpina factory, where the car is stripped of everything, optionnaly re-painted, and rebuilt with Alpina modified engine, suspensions, interior, instruments and so on. This basically what Sytner was doing in the UK under Alpina agreement.

the etched BMW VIN number is then crossed out but still readable for body traceability. A new Alpina VIN number is etched on the RH strut tower. the BMW VIN plate is removed and replaced by the Alpina VIN plate. The car is now and Alpina and sold as such. Not sure about the VIN plate in the UK though.
All the BMW parts were under warranty by BMW and the Alpina parts were under warranty by Alpina. BMW has even made some special modifications for Alpina requirements ( like the E36 B8 4.6 V8 engine mounts, directly made in the BMW factory on Alpina request ).
Alpina still works closely with BMW on some developpements like Twin turbo diesel engines...

The BMW roundel badges remain in place. and the Alpina roundel padges are all fakes, as well as many so-called Alpina parts you can find on Ebay.



Ok, I see you are impatient, so here is the car :

- Alpina B3 2.7 NON-kat ( No catalyst )
serial number : 224 out of 257 B3 builts ( includes Allrad ix-based, touring Allrad, touring ix, convertible )

Here is the ALPINA VIN plate :

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- year 1988.

- French original import.

- based on 325i from 1988 ( phase 2 ).

- engine displacement 2693 cc.

- 210 HP as it has a non-catalyst engine, same as the previous C2 ( B3 were all fitted with a catalyst, but for some reason my car never had it, I had that confirmed by an email from Alpina factory ).

- max speed 230km/h or 143mph.

- The exhaust is custom made stainless steel from the exit of the Alpina headers to the end.

- Engine RPM red zone at 6600rpm, Bosch Alpina modified ECU.

- Valve cover and intake manifold are anthracite painted ( original Alpina )
By the way the ALPINA engraved valve cover on M20 are not Alpina made, and all are fake then !

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more details :

- Alpina offset front upper shock mounts ( more camber and caster ) see them next picture :

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- 4 Progressive Alpina lowered springs ( best handling/confort ratio IMHO ).

- Original 325i 18mm front sway bar.

- Rear Alpina 3 positions Adj. 14mm sway bar.

- original 325i gearbox.

- LSD 25%, rear axle ratio 3.73.

- Additional fuel tank, total capacity is 97 liters.

- dashboard originall Alpina wood covered.

- RECARO seats ( best of the bests ) original Alpina color ( front and back seats ), door trims fabric inserts also Alpina fabric.

- Alpina cluster ( tachometer up to 260 km/h, Alpina branded, red hands all round, 95 liters guage).

-center left air outlet replaced by Alpina-VDO digital instruments ( engine oil temp, LSD oil temp, engine oil press, air intake press ).

- MOMO Alpina leather steering wheel.

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Id plate below the dashboard :

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- Alpina front vented brake discs dia 296mm ( see the wheel arch damaged, that was after an optimistic tight turn under the rain... need to be fixed soon for the sake of cosmetics ;-) ). discs and pads are new.

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- picture of the additional fuel tank, on top of the regular tank ( total is now 97 liters).

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- front and back Alpina spoilers ( front is cracked and need to be repaired ).

- rims are Alpina 7x16 front and 8x16 rear, tyres 205/50x16 & 225/45x16 respectively.

- spare wheel Alpina 7x16 :D

Original options on my car from the factory :

- No Alpina logo or stripes.
- Alpina Black/blue metallic paint.
- Additional fuel tank.
- Air conditionning ( rare in Europe at that time ).

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On this picture you can see the orginal front spoiler before I trashed it on the driveway of a friend ( some fiberglass repairs are scheduled ).

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The custom made Stainless steel exhaust system

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The car have been converted to run on LPG in a previous life, it cost it a cylinder head, but the system has been completely removes and the cylinder head replaced by an original Alpina ( I have the bill and it was not cheap ), the only reminder of this insane conversion is the hole in the rear below the bumper, for the LPG tank refill ( the tank replaced the spare wheel ). :oops:

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This car handles great and is perfect for long, fast trips across Europe, it is confortable, and last trip took me and my wife from paris to northe Italy and the italian lakes, Milan, across the Alps, Nice, Avignon, all that with sometimes snow on the roads, in a real confort, the trip was 3000km and it performed really well, except on the snow of course :P

Here in the south of France last march.

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Now, not everything is perfect, I have some maintenance to carry out, and some small improvement too.
I don't plan to change anything on the Alpina M20, because it works perfectly, so only the usual preventive maintenance on the engine, best way to keep it running smooth I guess. All the fluids have been replaced last year.

Now on the suspensions/handling side, several things to do.

- The car is on M-technics springs now ( I had a broken Alpina spring last year ). I have 4 new Alpina rated Bistein and 4 new Alpina springs to install, already got the parts, including the Alpina offset upper front shock mounts.

- I will replace all the bushings on the front and rear axles, so I have ordered and received the following parts :
- Powerflex offset CAB.
- Powerflex front and rear sway bars bushings.
- Powerflex rear subframe & trailing arms bushings.
- Ground Control rear shock mounts.
I will replace the control arms in the same time.

I will also replace the heavy leaking power steering rack by an E36 model ( already have the rack ) with new E36 steering tie rods.

I plan to thow in a quick shift, off course with BMW OEM part, although I disn't choose yet which one to get.


I have an Alpina and I feel I am lucky, it's only a modified 325i, with "only" an M20 engine, no M30 like a B6, but it's just a very good compromise car, powerfull, confortable, sporty, classy, not so expensive to run.


Cheers / Pierre

One last picture :



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Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:06 pm
by Bob_S
thats a really really nice clean alpina mate.
Welcome to the 'zone and hope you enjoy your hopefully long stay!

Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:09 pm
by Ant
Welcome Pierre, V V nice ride there mate.

Nice options and the best colour, get that snow plough spoiler back on next time you're home :cool:

Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:17 pm
by JAMZ
V.nice m8 :cool:

Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:35 pm
by Dan318-is
Gorgeous my friend!

Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:24 pm
by pnd
A beautiful car. the alpina rear spoiler creates the perfect line on one of these cars. I would love to have one or a copy -someyhting for the zone shop perhaps.

Re: ALPINA B3 2.7

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:14 am
by pegase747
Ant wrote:Welcome Pierre, V V nice ride there mate.

Nice options and the best colour, get that snow plough spoiler back on next time you're home :cool:
Hi Ant,

well that is the plan, I want to have it as close as possible as original, so I need to put back the front spoiler, which is effectively quite usefull when there is snow on the road :eek: .

The only small mods I will do are the E36 steering rack, and some poly bushes.

To all, thank you for the comments.

Cheers / Pierre

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:53 am
by Hap
lovely colour and spec very very nice


hap

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:58 am
by tandino
Nearly as rare as mine then:-

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Whoops:-

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:15 am
by Theo
Pete - thats a Ripleys Lorry isn't it! Ahh reminds me of my 318i slag which died a death and was carted off on one of theirs.

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:46 am
by tandino
Yep Theo - its Ripley - only 1/2 mile down the road from me.


Pierre -- you say only 257 B3's were built.....
Mine was no.290.

Pete.

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:39 pm
by jonb
lol @ tandino.

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:41 pm
by pegase747
tandino wrote:Yep Theo - its Ripley - only 1/2 mile down the road from me.


Pierre -- you say only 257 B3's were built.....
Mine was no.290.

Pete.
Hi Tandino,

257 B3's have been built in Buchloe/Germany, now was your car built by Sytner ??
I am aware of 15 B3's made in South Africa as well.

Well, 257 is what they say on the Alpina website anyway.

cheers / Pierre

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:57 pm
by whiterhino
absolutely gorgeous :cry: :P

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:20 pm
by tandino
pegase747 wrote: Hi Tandino,

257 B3's have been built in Buchloe/Germany, now was your car built by Sytner ??
I am aware of 15 B3's made in South Africa as well.

Well, 257 is what they say on the Alpina website anyway.

cheers / Pierre
Pierre

Mine was built in Buchloe Germany.

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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:24 pm
by Simon13
the numbers on the plaque are a mine field mine is 0450

they made 160 chrome bumper 2.7's too. Sytners built the first ever C2 2.7 before Buchloe!

sytners never keep record of how many RHD 2.7's they made which is nice.

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:07 am
by Stevin
pegase747 wrote:
tandino wrote:Yep Theo - its Ripley - only 1/2 mile down the road from me.


Pierre -- you say only 257 B3's were built.....
Mine was no.290.

Pete.
Hi Tandino,

257 B3's have been built in Buchloe/Germany, now was your car built by Sytner ??
I am aware of 15 B3's made in South Africa as well.

Well, 257 is what they say on the Alpina website anyway.

cheers / Pierre
I know the one B3 in SA ... but it's far from stock, got a 2.8lt stroker, ITB's... whole deal, all out track car.

There is a thread on our E30 forum in SA.

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:20 am
by A1BMW325iSport
Pierre, thats an awesome Alpina mate :cool:

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:32 pm
by robmpulse
is that digital gauge pod in the left vent able to be retro fitted?


what exactly does it measure?

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:38 pm
by tandino
robmpulse wrote:is that digital gauge pod in the left vent able to be retro fitted?


what exactly does it measure?
I would hope so as i sold mine for 500 quid to someone who was retro fitting it into their E30 8)
It measures intake manifold pressure,oil pressure,oil temperature,Diff oil temperature.

Pete.

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:46 pm
by Kos
tandino wrote:Nearly as rare as mine then:-

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Whoops:-

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PMSL

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:10 pm
by alpinac227
Has yours got an original ALPINA six branch exhaust manifold..?

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:41 pm
by tandino
alpinac227 wrote:Has yours got an original ALPINA six branch exhaust manifold..?
Yes it did have.
Its now back in Germany.
The Alpina Boysen centre section/cat and anti roll bars are going out there to the same person when i go to the Nurburgring in September.

Pete.

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:47 pm
by stuartgallafant
thats not fair, i want one of them!!

can someone explain the difference between a C2 and a B3 please?!

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:22 pm
by robmpulse
tandino wrote:
robmpulse wrote:is that digital gauge pod in the left vent able to be retro fitted?


what exactly does it measure?
I would hope so as i sold mine for 500 quid to someone who was retro fitting it into their E30 8)
It measures intake manifold pressure,oil pressure,oil temperature,Diff oil temperature.

Pete.
do you have a part number? where can I find one?

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:46 pm
by Demlotcrew
Its more than one part number, and its more than £500 to buy new!

Andrew

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:34 pm
by tandino
C2's were assembled in the UK by Sytner not at Buchloe - some will argue but they are nowhere near the spec of the B3's which were made at Buchloe,Germany.
So in short a C2 is UK spec B3.

Pete.

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:36 pm
by tandino
robmpulse wrote:
do you have a part number? where can I find one?
Your looking at about 1000 quid if you wanted to assemble one piecing parts together.
They go for anythnig between 500-650 quid on Ebay.de if you can find a complete kit.
Funny that i was told mine was worth 250 quid by a few people 'in the know' on here..........

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:58 pm
by Simon13
no C2's were built in germany. The only C2 2.7's built from buchloe were chrome bumper models. The reason they changed it to B3 was because the german customers didn't like the "C" designation so Alpina changed it to "B" for them! plus the B 3 part came from them or 95% being fitted with catalytic converters!

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:02 pm
by stuartgallafant
Simon13 wrote:no The reason they changed it to B3 was because the german customers didn't like the "C" designation
why?! :mad:

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:19 pm
by Simon13
thats all i know but that was the reason.

um because the germans were snotty and rich? there is not alot of sense when it comes to alpinas and their model designations

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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:18 am
by robmpulse
tandino wrote:
robmpulse wrote:
do you have a part number? where can I find one?
Your looking at about 1000 quid if you wanted to assemble one piecing parts together.
They go for anythnig between 500-650 quid on Ebay.de if you can find a complete kit.
Funny that i was told mine was worth 250 quid by a few people 'in the know' on here..........
what do I search for?

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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:41 pm
by Kos
i might be shot for this if i'm wrong , but i belive all early e30's were called c2's and later ones b3's, but in the uk they were always called c2's.