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mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:42 pm
by skivvey
hey guys just had the dreaded mot and has failed on some parts im not to sure what they mean ? list is as follows

offside front brake hose ferrule corroded
offside front (brake area) suspenton component mounting area corroded
offside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded
nearside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded
offside rear (inner sill) suspension component mounting area corroded
offside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded
nearside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded

i have no idea what parts and where they mean as the mot inspector went home before i got there to show me where / what he ment :( and also is this stuff easy to come by and install and worth doing ??

thanks guys :)

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:46 pm
by magpie
it's all welding and sounds expensive ,did the garage say how much they will do it for ?

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:49 pm
by skivvey
o joy no mate they didn't say and i think thats coz they didn't want to do it lol plus its not a garage that dose heavy work just a servicing and mot place :(

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:56 pm
by Topblag
My MOT station always shows me any areas where there is an issue, I'd be going back and asking for detail which will help you identify the problem.

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:57 pm
by Speedtouch
Take a look - 'corrosion' may just be surface rust that can be rubbed down then re-painted, but more often than not, there may well be some holes to repair.

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:03 pm
by Nobby_N
Get it weighed in before you lose more weight with the brown flakey stuff! :D

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:22 pm
by Rich320I
essentially there's some crusty areas, near mounting points for your suspension. could be around the strut tops by the look of the report.

you may have a seriously over zealous MOT tester, or abit of welding to do. As above first thing to do is talk to the tester and get him to show you the areas of concern. then you can go about getting a quote to get it fixed, might not be a game ender :)

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:30 pm
by capnmchl
offside front brake hose ferrule corroded - The connection from the pipe to the hose on that side needs replacing. That may mean a new hose, new pipe or both.

offside front (brake area) suspenton component mounting area corroded - Not really sure on this one.

offside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded - Most likely the factory jacking pad on the offside.

nearside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded - Same as above but on the nearside.

offside rear (inner sill) suspension component mounting area corroded - What it says really. Inner lip of the sill near the rear probably has a hole in it.

offside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded
nearside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded

Not sure on these two but if you went back I'm sure they could show you what they mean. If you looked underneath, you may even find some yellow chalk markings of where the affected areas are.

Otherwise, as others above have said, go back and ask for an explanation. All the problems will most likely require welding though and the bill for that could be rather expensive.

For reference, the offside of the vehicle is that furthest from the kerb (drivers side) and the nearside that closest to the kerb (passengers side).

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:43 pm
by mr_dink
skivvey wrote:offside front (brake area) suspenton component mounting area corroded
Probably rust to bulkhead under brake servo (behind glovebox type area)
skivvey wrote:offside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded
Jacking point/floor
skivvey wrote:nearside front (floor) suspension component mounting area corroded
As above
skivvey wrote:offside rear (inner sill) suspension component mounting area corroded
Rear end of sill near wheel arch.
skivvey wrote:offside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded
Inner rear arch.
skivvey wrote:nearside rear (tank area) suspension component mounting area corroded
Inner rear arch.

A fair amount of welding by the looks of it :(

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:03 am
by pacerpete
How many doors ?

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:47 am
by Topblag
Is every part of a car described as a "suspension component" in MoT speak ?

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:27 am
by daimlerman
capnmchl wrote:
For reference, the offside of the vehicle is that furthest from the kerb (drivers side) and the nearside that closest to the kerb (passengers side).
For reference;
the offside is the righthand side
the nearside is the lefthand side

Both as viewed from the driver's position looking forward.

Therefore the position of the driver's seat is not relevant.

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:32 am
by daimlerman
Topblag wrote:Is every part of a car described as a "suspension component" in MoT speak ?
Corrosion within 300mm of a suspension mounting point is an MoT fail.

So E30wise,a hole in the driver's footwell will be within the prescribed area in relation to the rear wishbone mounting.

At the rear,the cill/more door opening base area is well within the prescribed area in relation to the rear beam mount.

On the upside,it seems very rare to find front turrets that have rusted out!

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:49 am
by verde
Topblag wrote:My MOT station always shows me any areas where there is an issue, I'd be going back and asking for detail which will help you identify the problem.
Mine is the same, he actually walks round the car with you as hes doing it, explains what hes doing and demonstrates/shows any fucked bits

Well worth going back if your not sure

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:51 am
by Grrrmachine
daimlerman wrote:On the upside,it seems very rare to find front turrets that have rusted out!
You mean like this? :D

Image

From my own rotbox.

OP, run your eye through this Rust checklist to get a better idea of what your MOT guy is talking about:

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/Rust

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:57 am
by daimlerman
Grrrmachine wrote:
daimlerman wrote:On the upside,it seems very rare to find front turrets that have rusted out!
You mean like this? :D

Image

From my own rotbox.

OP, run your eye through this Rust checklist to get a better idea of what your MOT guy is talking about:

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/Rust
As you were told at the time by most of us,that thing should have been wieghed in,just think of the cheap Tesco toaster's that we are now missing out on!

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:15 pm
by milescook
daimlerman wrote:
Grrrmachine wrote:
daimlerman wrote:On the upside,it seems very rare to find front turrets that have rusted out!
You mean like this? :D



From my own rotbox.

OP, run your eye through this Rust checklist to get a better idea of what your MOT guy is talking about:

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/Rust
As you were told at the time by most of us,that thing should have been wieghed in,just think of the cheap Tesco toaster's that we are now missing out on!
or knock off Rolexes from China! :D

Op, where in Swansea are you? I've had *some* experience having my cars welded I could pop round and take a look?

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:00 pm
by skivvey
pacerpete wrote:How many doors ?
2 door mate

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:17 am
by skivvey
ok finally got hold off the mot inspector and luckily its not to bad of a job with the welding it was just random holes within 300mm from a structural point and the works not that bad :) all apart fro, two holes witch are where the fuel tank straps are attached to the back off the car :( but as i need a new tank shall kill 2 birds with one stone now just to put an add up for a tank :)

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:04 am
by daimlerman
Fuel tank bolts in with five bolts....
Not worth buying a s/h one,it will be rusty around the filler neck and the tank seam.
GSF/ECP will supply for about £150,although some-one did find a decent pattern one a lot cheaper recently,so a search may be in order!

Re: mot fail but what parts do they mean ??

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:46 pm
by skivvey
fair enoth well the rust is where two off the rear bolts screw into the body area lol :) and yer i been looking at some second hand ones on ebay and they look good but all the filler necks on the tanks are a bit rusty so for the extra buck i may as well get a new one and gsf quoted me £170 so we shall see but just waiting for my mate whos doing the welding to get the tank off so i can have a look and see if its the tank or filler pipe thats leaking as its a bit to tight to see properly still on the car :(