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Quicker rack for the e30??

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:37 pm
by H35-IAN
hey guys long time no speak i kno but ive been busy getting my life bak together!!


i want to know though which is the quick rack that u can put in a e30?? im not sure which one it is i think e30 adam runs this in his sport though anyone have any ideas , and are they much harder to fit or buy etc any info appreciated thanks guys ian. :wink:

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:38 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
i got me an E36 rack and it rocks!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:42 pm
by H35-IAN
ok then m8 tell me more wat e36 is it out of and is it hard to fit ?? etc is it lots more money m8 . is it less turns lok to lok etc ?
:wink:

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:44 pm
by billgatese30
i think you have to do something to the uj in it though to get past teh m20 exhaust manifold, not sure though, i could be wrong

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:48 pm
by 12345kevin
E36 Rack Conversion in the articles section :D

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... 36rack.htm

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:48 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
this is gonna confuse alot of peps coz mine is an M3 E36 rack and i had the spacer made and pipes made and cut and shut the steering union to find that when i went to bolt it all up if i located the rack in the forward holes u dont need any thing modyifing that means DIRECT replacement if u use the forward mounting holes!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:49 pm
by Simon13
billgatese30 wrote:i think you have to do something to the uj in it though to get past teh m20 exhaust manifold, not sure though, i could be wrong
u have to run a standard M20 manifold with an E36 rack, 6 branches are a no no. Which car Ian?

As it would be tight on the H35 would be my guess!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:50 pm
by Dan318-is
na it would be on his tec 1 sport si,

richard what du mean about direct fit using a rack? none of that custom bracket nonsense like?

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:53 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
i had it all made and used NONE repete NONE of it

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:54 pm
by Dan318-is
chrikey

id love to drive that thing!

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:56 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
rollin road day peps it'll be there

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:57 pm
by billgatese30
Simon13 wrote:u have to run a standard M20 manifold with an E36 rack, 6 branches are a no no. Which car Ian?
cheers si, i thought it was someting like that

rich, did you just replace the rack itself or the coloumn too

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:00 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
rack and trarod ends E36 thats all i have changed

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:04 pm
by H35-IAN
yes this is for my sport m8!! the h35 has a proper quick rack already m8!! lol its awsome thats why i want the same in the sport im just about to do a fare few things to em!! anyway so am i right in thinking if i buy a e36 m3 rack itll go straight in on a standard m20 manifold no problems ?? with nothing else to do or am i wrong!! :wink: thanks for all the replys m8s! :cool:

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:26 pm
by ndg
Word of caution on using different hole etc.

Make sure you don't move the axis of the rack around too much (vertically or fore-aft) or you'll introduce undesirable bump steer into the sytem, which is generally not nice. But if its tested and works for you, then great.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:30 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
its fookin unbeliveable on my tourer and that is right no messin bolts up no mods!

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ignor the engine mount thats in another thread

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:32 pm
by gareth
touringdaddy, can you give more detail on this? what direction does the rack move on the other bolt holes? forward?

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:02 pm
by Martinaston
Sorry to confuse the issue even more, but do the track rod ends have to be changed for the E36 ones ?

Also how many turns, lock to lock is the M3 rack
and how many for the next one down (Z3)?

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:04 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
if u look on the front cross member where the rack is bolted up u will c a hole in front of each bolt bout 1 1/2" (forward) front of car u will need to drill the holes slightly larger to accept the bolts but then u just bolt up and away u go and by the way the E36 tra rod ends also fit direct

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:06 pm
by ian332isport
TOURINGDADDY wrote:its fookin unbeliveable on my tourer and that is right no messin bolts up no mods!

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ignor the engine mount thats in another thread
That's not like any E36 rack I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot). The Banjo union is in totally the wrong position. Are you sure it's an E36 rack ?

This is what most E36 racks look like.

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Ian.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:12 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
came from motor factors labeled as E36 m3 female inserts

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:13 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
not sure if u have to use E36 tra rod ends but i did coz mine were nackered and i had the e36 rack

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:17 pm
by ian332isport
TOURINGDADDY wrote:came from motor factors labeled as E36 m3 female inserts
Interesting.

Did you have to mess with the power steering pipes, or did they hook right up ?

How many turns lock to lock do you have ?

If it is indeed an E36 rack, then you may well have found the 'holy grail' of E30 racks :D

Ian.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:19 pm
by Widge
Oh God, that means prices of E36 M3 racks are now going to sky rocket, as if they were cheap in the first place :cry:

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:23 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
power pipes bolted stright in

3.5 turns lock to lock

and the wheels camber right over when on full lock and i also have a massive neg camber which makes it cornor like its on rails

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:34 pm
by ian332isport
TOURINGDADDY wrote:power pipes bolted stright in

3.5 turns lock to lock

and the wheels camber right over when on full lock and i also have a massive neg camber which makes it cornor like its on rails
I'm still not sure it's an E36 rack. All E36's have the power steering pipe connections in a different place to the E30 rack.

All 6 cylinder E36 racks have 3.4 turns lock to lock except the original 3.0L M3 that had 3.2 turns. I've never seen an E36 rack with 3.5 turns.

Next time you are under the car, it would be good to see if there are any part numbers on it.

Ian.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:37 pm
by TOURINGDADDY
it may be 3.4 as i havnt measured just a rough count at 3 and a half turns but next time im under there i'll get any part numbers i can find (in the next day or so got mounts to do!)

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:37 am
by H35-IAN
hi there ian332 m8 right so are u saying theres alot more to this than meets the eye can u do a bit of a exlplanation on this m8 to let me know if its gonna be worth my while a cost ish rough idea and how hard it is please m8 ian. :wink:

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:20 am
by buster
It looks like an e30 rack to me :squint: