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My 316i just wont slide in the wet- on oil its fine but wont even drift an inch in the wet. It gets me down

Any suggestions or others with similar aggravations lol

PS the car runs great so no problems there.

bigger motor mate I think.... or skinny tyres

I think youre right- without thrashing the clutch and revving the bollocks off it now joy is to be found

Bigger engine and a slipper ftw !!

Even just fitting a LSD will help tbh..

Aw well, i'll just enjoy cruising in it as it needs to get me to work and back for ten weeks and maybe acquire a second car to 'play' with.

bigger, more powerful motor..

my 325i auto touring will slide in the wet (private tarmac) but not in the dry.. need a clutch for that.

classictwiggy wrote:My 316i just wont slide in the wet- .

Which is generally what manufacturers' try to design into their suspension! Another BMW engineering success.

makes me laugh the way this is the EXACT opposite of my iS!!

a bit of water on the road and a sharpish bend and bye bye back end lol

good luck in your quest for sideways action mate

Cypriotgeeza wrote:makes me laugh the way this is the EXACT opposite of my iS!!

a bit of water on the road and a sharpish bend and bye bye back end lol

good luck in your quest for sideways action mate

How do you drive? If doesnt just oversteer unless you plant the throttle mid corner..

BMW's handle very well - ultimate driving machine..

My mate has some big 17" wheels with quite a considerable amount of grip in his 316i. Its hard enough to wheelspin full stop, let alone go sideways!

TBH though, the 316i is a reasonable little car and will corner better than pretty much any stock hatchback that younger lads can get insured in or afford. Only some modern sporty hatches will be able to take the corners as well. But anyday, RWD FTW!

Leemc2009 wrote:BMW's handle very well - ultimate driving machine..

Assuming the suspension is in reasonable order, with decent bushes fitted - not the original twenty year old ones, and doesn't have a "60mm drop"!

You carnt really expect a 316 to drift even if you do get the back end out it wont have anough power to carry on the drift anyways

Weld the rear diff
60psi in the rear tyres, preferably no bigger than 165
Dont be gay

Simples !!!

Bladerider wrote:Weld the rear diff
60psi in the rear tyres, preferably no bigger than 165
Dont be gay

Simples !!!

This reply has made my dayyyyy brighter

i have cheap tyres on my IS and can go sideways out of every junction just by tapping the throttle a tiny bit, even works at low revs in second, the tyres are great in the dry but in the wet there appauling

NayC wrote: TBH though, the 316i is a reasonable little car and will corner better than pretty much any stock hatchback that younger lads can get insured in or afford.

Righto!

Jon_Bmw wrote:

NayC wrote: TBH though, the 316i is a reasonable little car and will corner better than pretty much any stock hatchback that younger lads can get insured in or afford.

Righto!

i agree with jon

my 1.0 12v corsa handled way better around town and smaller streets/roads than my IS

although once over 40mph the IS is better

I have to be honest a 1.0litre corsa wasn't topping my list of good handling hatchbacks.

Alex wrote:

Jon_Bmw wrote:

NayC wrote: TBH though, the 316i is a reasonable little car and will corner better than pretty much any stock hatchback that younger lads can get insured in or afford.

Righto!

i agree with jon

my 1.0 12v corsa handled way better around town and smaller streets/roads than my IS

although once over 40mph the IS is better

Uprate the rack and lower by 30mm/40mm on reasonable suspension and your sorted. A corsa only handles better in town because of the shorter lock-to-lock ratio. Lower that and your sorted.... apart from trying to parrallel park in tight spaces

A fairly cheapo rwd car designed in the 70's is not about to win a nimbleness competition with a similarly cheap fwd car (that actually costs less to manufacture - hence its price) thats been designed in the last 5 years !!!

Round a track with a ton of mods is a different question, but one which can easily last forever as mods are just dependent on budget rather than whats best !!

In general RWD cars offer a better performance envelope and balance, but comparing a 316 and a Saxo on handling is like comparing a kettle and a toaster at which is best at ironing !!!

just need some crappy tyres on the back and a bit of persuasion... if your really brave you could even scandi flick the thing, but try at your own risk lol

It still should go in the wet despite the lack of grunt or a LSD. My guess is your being to gentle with the car or going to slowly.

You are going to struggle to do a true power slide, but there are many different ways to make the car go side ways or drift, more than 10 in fact and some are better suited to low power cars. Try looking on you tube for different techniques (there are several tutorial type clips). Or there is a book available called how to drift, I got mine at a shop at Brands Hatch (try googleing it).

Keep with it, its great fun and it will improve your car control once you get the knack!

If Tiff (last nights 5th gear) managed to get the back end of an 8 ton 180bhp double decker bus out then it'll be possible to do it in a 316. It'll be down to technique as mattrs has hinted towards.

Jon_Bmw wrote:

NayC wrote: TBH though, the 316i is a reasonable little car and will corner better than pretty much any stock hatchback that younger lads can get insured in or afford.

Righto!

alright then

welded diff init

To be fair, Tiff cant drift for sh1t !!!

Bladerider wrote:A fairly cheapo rwd car designed in the 70's is not about to win a nimbleness competition with a similarly cheap fwd car (that actually costs less to manufacture - hence its price) thats been designed in the last 5 years !!!

Round a track with a ton of mods is a different question, but one which can easily last forever as mods are just dependent on budget rather than whats best !!

In general RWD cars offer a better performance envelope and balance, but comparing a 316 and a Saxo on handling is like comparing a kettle and a toaster at which is best at ironing !!!

Nice to see your classic wit and humour isn't dwindling in your old age Mr G.

200 bhp of nitro

classictwiggy wrote:My 316i just wont slide in the wet- on oil its fine but wont even drift an inch in the wet. It gets me down

Any suggestions or others with similar aggravations lol

PS the car runs great so no problems there.

More speed!

For the love of god more speed!

Are you sure your doing it correctly? I never had problems with my old 316i, especially in the wet

Have you been watching Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift?

lol actually yes

Bladerider wrote:A fairly cheapo rwd car designed in the 70's is not about to win a nimbleness competition with a similarly cheap fwd car (that actually costs less to manufacture - hence its price) thats been designed in the last 5 years !!!

Round a track with a ton of mods is a different question, but one which can easily last forever as mods are just dependent on budget rather than whats best !!

In general RWD cars offer a better performance envelope and balance, but comparing a 316 and a Saxo on handling is like comparing a kettle and a toaster at which is best at ironing !!!

we´re assuming the 316 is an e30, hence designed in the eighties...

classictwiggy, if the car is stock in the wet it should drift.
You must approach fast, brake later when you´re already on the curve and then hit the throttle and if you´re turning the wheel to the inside of the curve the rear will want to go out. When you feel the end stepping out just turn the wheel fast to the other side.

DISCLAIMER: Just don´t do it on tight areas, practice safely on large spaces or you may hurt or brake something...

ps- just youtube drift bible, the technique for ae86 1.6 is similar... low power car too...

Sod that !!!

Just take a longer run up, scandi flick, and use the manfoot !!!

Get down to Santa Pod DWYB days with Lex and learn good !!

If by some miracle Im there I'll happily take you out in your car and show you what I mean, although theres usually several people who will give you pointers, Lex for one !!

Hope that helps,

J.

cool_ram_in wrote:we´re assuming the 316 is an e30, hence designed in the eighties...

Sorry to sound pedantic, and I know Im only a noob on this forum, but given that the E30 went on sale in 1982 I suspect it was designed before they started selling them, or crash testing them, or retooled the plant to actually manufacture them, or got supporting manufacturers up to speed on parts, or got board approval for the funding and final design etc etc so I suspect they were originally conceived in the very late 70's and even if they were done in 1980 it will still effectively be based on principles from the 70's as opposed to all the experience gained from the first few months of "The 80's" lol

Again apologies if this is too difficult a concept to grasp !!