E30 Zone

Another (mk1) type R fell victim to the iS earlier, I had to. frickin fwd toads think they're all that and more..

He had the edge on the straights (not by much I must add!)

but as per usual, the first hint of some twisty techincal stuff and he just disappeared after turn 3. Fricking looser! my iS vs his 8 grand silver jap crap.

Ok, I don't currentlty have an interior, spare wheel, jack or boot mat, but still his wonder chariot should put up more of a fight

Certainly made my morning more interesting than most

for some reason my Alpina badges scare most people off

Well done

IS Power

Years ago I was minding my own business driving steadily when an MR2 came steaming up behind. The traffic ahead cleared and I booted it. I drove like I had something to prove. I drove like an arse, so did the MR2 driver. I was taking blind bends at 90 in a 4 wheel drift - utterly stupid. Anyway, this continued for several miles as we climbed an incline, at roughly 80-85, over a crest, into 4th I glance in my mirror and see an MR2 sideways and in a split second it disappeared altogether.

Imagine how you'd feel when a car with the roof down leaves a tree-lined road at around 85, backwards. I shouted at my missus to get the phone, total fear and panic in my mind. He'd be dead for sure, I thought. And I had goaded him into a 'race'.

I turned the car round and raced back to where he'd gone off. A tree was now partly blocking the road. I parked, ran to the spot whilst shouting at my missus to get the first aid kit. As i got to the fallen down tree a man staggered out on to the verge holding a cut on the back of his head, dazed and unsteady. He was at least alive. I begged him to sit down while I called 999.

As I came off the phone, another car stopped and a guy ran over shouting "have you switched the ignition off" the dazed driver couldn't remember so the passer-by trod over the various bits of car, cds, engine cover etc lying on the verge and disappeared behind the trees. I hadn't thought to look at the car yet, so I went to see where it was. It was sitting on its back bumper, wedged between some small trees, pointing perfectly skywards, literally 90 degrees to the ground, with the underside facing the road. The whole front end was noticeably bent.

I could write pages more, but to summarise, the MR2 driver didn't know the road (I knew it very well) and had assumed the road beyond the crest was straight. It wasn't. Both nearside wheels caught the gravel on the edge of the road past the crest as he tried to turn - from then on he was a passenger.

OP - It's not for me to tell you how to drive, and for all I know you were mindful of blind corners, other traffic, stopping distances etc etc. I just hope the above story might make you and others think a little bit differently about "racing" other cars on the road. The faster car on the road, in my experience, is the car whose driver is prepared to take greater risks.

I had my future wife in the car, how could I be so stupid to put her life, my life, and other peoples lives at risk just because I wanted to be Billy Big Balls and prove I could drive faster than someone else? What if it was my car that left the road? What if the MR2 driver died?

I'm not here to patronize people, I enjoy driving quickly just like the next man. Not surprisingly the events on that day made me think very carefully about how I drive, and now if I want to "race" someone I do it on a track.

^^^^ Well said

bramley and Barx325i Just go to show how greatly the mentality of people can differ

I used to race, or shall I say.. try to drive fast when I was 17..

feel a bit more grown up now 5 years on.. and definately got alot more to lose if things dont go my way!

Everyone has good and bad days, one day we say "look at that tit!,"

Another day we are the tit.

Wheres Spadge?

Barx325i wrote: frickin fwd toads think they're all that and more..

Irony from a IS driver?

The Mk 1 CTR is a fine handling machine, the driver had probably left his kamikaze bandana at home, or simply doesn't know how to use his car to the full.


I used to race about when I was younger and had a nova GT/E, then I realised what a knob I looked, on one of the few occasions I was driving nice and steady in that car a golf came round a blind bend in the middle of the road and punted me into a stone wall
I had my mate and his 2 young cousins in the car and everyone walked away without a scratch but the car had a twisted chassis and it took us an hour to lever all the metalwork away from the wheels enough to get it to my mates place for fragging.

I like to 'streatch it's legs' but I have learned that there is a time and a place.

I just hope the above story might make you and others think a little bit differently about "racing" other cars on the road

Oh I see, well this is a public forum so you are entitled to your oinion, but maybe I should have been more careful and clearly mentioned that this mornings activity was conducted on a private road (yes some of us are fortunate enough) that both chris (sad type R owner) and myself drive daily.

I do agree though, you should have had more sense goading on an open top car into a 'race' on the 'road'

Point well made, taking blind bends at 90 incurring a 4 wheel drift isn't really that inteligent is it?

bramley wrote:Years ago I was minding my own business driving steadily when an MR2 came steaming up behind. The traffic ahead cleared and I booted it. I drove like I had something to prove. I drove like an arse, so did the MR2 driver. I was taking blind bends at 90 in a 4 wheel drift - utterly stupid. Anyway, this continued for several miles as we climbed an incline, at roughly 80-85, over a crest, into 4th I glance in my mirror and see an MR2 sideways and in a split second it disappeared altogether.

Imagine how you'd feel when a car with the roof down leaves a tree-lined road at around 85, backwards. I shouted at my missus to get the phone, total fear and panic in my mind. He'd be dead for sure, I thought. And I had goaded him into a 'race'.

I turned the car round and raced back to where he'd gone off. A tree was now partly blocking the road. I parked, ran to the spot whilst shouting at my missus to get the first aid kit. As i got to the fallen down tree a man staggered out on to the verge holding a cut on the back of his head, dazed and unsteady. He was at least alive. I begged him to sit down while I called 999.

As I came off the phone, another car stopped and a guy ran over shouting "have you switched the ignition off" the dazed driver couldn't remember so the passer-by trod over the various bits of car, cds, engine cover etc lying on the verge and disappeared behind the trees. I hadn't thought to look at the car yet, so I went to see where it was. It was sitting on its back bumper, wedged between some small trees, pointing perfectly skywards, literally 90 degrees to the ground, with the underside facing the road. The whole front end was noticeably bent.

I could write pages more, but to summarise, the MR2 driver didn't know the road (I knew it very well) and had assumed the road beyond the crest was straight. It wasn't. Both nearside wheels caught the gravel on the edge of the road past the crest as he tried to turn - from then on he was a passenger.

OP - It's not for me to tell you how to drive, and for all I know you were mindful of blind corners, other traffic, stopping distances etc etc. I just hope the above story might make you and others think a little bit differently about "racing" other cars on the road. The faster car on the road, in my experience, is the car whose driver is prepared to take greater risks.

I had my future wife in the car, how could I be so stupid to put her life, my life, and other peoples lives at risk just because I wanted to be Billy Big Balls and prove I could drive faster than someone else? What if it was my car that left the road? What if the MR2 driver died?

I'm not here to patronize people, I enjoy driving quickly just like the next man. Not surprisingly the events on that day made me think very carefully about how I drive, and now if I want to "race" someone I do it on a track.

If someone else wants drive at the same speed as me, then fine. If he can keep, then fine . . . . If not, I dont have prob with that,

If he crashes while driving with me I have no issue, I neither made a challenge nor invited a race.

I only have a problem if he tries to shift the blame on me for his poor choices. He makes his own choices, I cannot drive for him . . .


In your case the MR 2 chose to drive past his ability and paid the price . . .

There is a nice motorcycling saying that seems apt here, " Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly !"

Seems to sum it up really . . .

I had my future wife in the car, how could I be so stupid to put her life, my life, and other peoples lives at risk just because I wanted to be Billy Big Balls and prove I could drive faster than someone else?

and finally, reading this shocks me mate.

Barx325i - it's a shame the tone of your posts in this thread make you sound like a fool, when clearly you are such a sensible and intelligent individual with whom I am delighted to share the country's roads.

bramley wrote:Barx325i - it's a shame the tone of your posts in this thread make you sound like a fool, when clearly you are such a sensible and intelligent individual with whom I am delighted to share the country's roads.

full marks for 'changing' its tone, and as far as inteligence and sensibility, your long moral story clearly outlines your lack of intelligence and sensibility.

seriously..

I booted it - sensible

I drove like I had something to prove. I drove like an arse - very sensible
I was taking blind bends at 90 in a 4 wheel drift - utterly stupid - intelligent

this continued for several miles - very sensible

And I had goaded him into a 'race' - intelligent

but to summarise, the MR2 driver didn't know the road (I knew it very well) intelligent

I had my future wife in the car - very sensible

Not surprisingly the events on that day made me think very carefully about how I drive.

Now that is the most intelligent and sensible point really - which is clearly your learning curve and just a pity someone else had to suffer in the process.

Barx, you should come to MK and do high speed midnight street racing with us


(see pub talk VR6 girl...)

Barx325i wrote:
full marks for 'changing' its tone, and as far as inteligence and sensibility, your long moral story clearly outlines your lack of intelligence and sensibility.

seriously..

As you'll have noticed in my long moral story I was very quick to point out my stupidity so there really aren't any points up for grabs by highlighting that. But hey, it's allowing you to take the moral high ground which you seem to be relishing, so you go on son!

If you need me, I'll be standing in the corner repeating to myself "I lack intelligence and sensibility" until further notice.

Barx325i wrote:

bramley wrote:Barx325i - it's a shame the tone of your posts in this thread make you sound like a fool, when clearly you are such a sensible and intelligent individual with whom I am delighted to share the country's roads.

full marks for 'changing' its tone, and as far as inteligence and sensibility, your long moral story clearly outlines your lack of intelligence and sensibility.

seriously..

I booted it - sensible

I drove like I had something to prove. I drove like an arse - very sensible
I was taking blind bends at 90 in a 4 wheel drift - utterly stupid - intelligent

this continued for several miles - very sensible

And I had goaded him into a 'race' - intelligent

but to summarise, the MR2 driver didn't know the road (I knew it very well) intelligent

I had my future wife in the car - very sensible

Not surprisingly the events on that day made me think very carefully about how I drive.

Now that is the most intelligent and sensible point really - which is clearly your learning curve and just a pity someone else had to suffer in the process.

bramley wrote:

Barx325i wrote:
full marks for 'changing' its tone, and as far as inteligence and sensibility, your long moral story clearly outlines your lack of intelligence and sensibility.

seriously..

As you'll have noticed in my long moral story I was very quick to point out my stupidity so there really aren't any points up for grabs by highlighting that. But hey, it's allowing you to take the moral high ground which you seem to be relishing, so you go on son!

If you need me, I'll be standing in the corner repeating to myself "I lack intelligence and sensibility" until further notice.

You don't have to do that. no offence taken, or given. I do appreciate your concerns and views bramley, but I don't wish to be categorised in your demeaning fashion, especially when your story is far more horrifying and alerting than a simple 700yd dash down a private lane.

I hope this is a lesson to all you toe rag boy racers

is it or is the pot calling the kettle black? lol

Barx325i wrote:
You don't have to do that. no offence taken, or given. I do appreciate your concerns and views bramley, but I don't wish to be categorised in your demeaning fashion, especially when your story is far more horrifying and alerting than a simple 700yd dash down a private lane.

I hope this is a lesson to all you toe rag boy racers

Fair enough

I've gotta be honest and say that your original post did make you sound like a bit of a muppet! ;) I was trying not to aim my story at you specifically, as I don't know anything about you or your driving style, I was just using the opportunity to tell it in your thread.

It may prompt someone to think twice about taking that extra little risk.

I admit that based on your first post I probably did classify you in the muppet brigade - I take it back

at first I made a face similar to this

so I immediatly thought

but then ...we're all here for one thing & freedom of speech 'n all - so

& a

Check, another delusional iS owner.

Your account does paint a pretty dark picture - something that has obviuously stayed with you. So I can't deny that it is pertainent to you in this situation and I do feel sorry for you having to go through that.

Leemc2009 wrote:

bloody cider drinkers

I'm no saint behind the wheel, but my driving style now is very different to what it was when I was in my early twenties. Like most young guys, I felt indestructible and confidence was far higher than ability!

The funny thing was that shortly after that crash I happened to visit a new forum and lo and behold there was a guy with MR2 in his username and a mention of a recent crash in this county! Contacted him, and sure enough it was him. Nice bloke too, met him on a forum meet not long after.

Anyway, enough rambling from me! Go careful out there guys and gals

Barx - love you man

im disgusted at your lack of consideration for other road users.
cant you get the bus instead of holding up us really fast guys with your slow cars?

Talking about delusional IS owners, and boy racers i had a little tussle with my mates Corsa VXR he killed me in a stright line but on the bendys i got a good 3-4 car lenghs ahead.

He put it down to the fact that his traction control was off but the way i see it thats how you should roll anyway.

Quite surprised me to be honest as i know an E30 318IS is slow but the handling makes up for it!

dellusional iS owner indeed.. a CTR will serve an iS ALL day long straights, bends the lot.

Whats a CTR? i said VXR

Should have read the full post your on about the Civic Type R (CTR) thought you were on about me.

the corsa will piss on an e30 too matey

SUMPCRACKER wrote:Barx, you should come to MK and do high speed midnight street racing with us


(see pub talk VR6 girl...)

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