E30 Zone

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/941986.htm
This guy reckons he's got 200hp, now am i jumping the gun a bit or is he bullshitting. i said a scorpion and chip wont get you fuck all in the grand scheme of things and his reponse

"These started of with 172bhp and they dont loose it either over the years.The rite chip on these gives 15-25 look at the racing dynamics website and others (not superchips for your 1.1 saxo).The bore doesnt matter its the fact they flow easier and let the exhaust gases exit faster hence more bhp its age old technology that works on a real car and it helps if you havent got a cat which this hasnt.As for the air flow meter you obviously know nothing as they are fully adjustable on these IF you know what you are doing which you dont.Stick to your saxo they are more simple they suit you."

I agree they don't lose power much fair play but since when does an aftermarket exhaust of the same bore as standard help that much.

Is he chatting bollocks then?

dont think a chip and zaust gets u that much of a gain..

Well he is kind of right about the ease of flow of a manifold, but as far as it seems he has a standard manifold and just a scorpion exhaust... And 25bhp chip?? Hmm.

But mostly... yes he is.

i believe that an exhaust can add as much as a extra 10bhp, but the rest from a chip and a alpina rocker ??????

a 325iS weighs a little over a 1000kgs?!?! Nonsense. 200bhp from a chip and an exhaust without any further work? Sounds like bollocks to me.

blingsta wrote:i believe that an exhaust can add as much as a extra 10bhp, but the rest from a chip and a alpina rocker ??????

i really only think on a turbo car it can make that difference. something modern with a decat and a remap possibly but hard. an old e30 where the exhaust is pretty darn good anyway. unlikely. a lot of cars ive heard lose 1 or 2 bhp with a scorpion, its mainly the sound that makes you think its better.

i am sure there will be a few more along to muddy this guys advert but even with a full system (and it appears he only has the back box) and a chip the best you could hope for is 170-180 MAX and that would be on a good engine. a more realistic 165-175, all a chip does is alter the fueling and an exhaust, if a full system with headers make increase 5 to 10ish hp a backbox only will make more noise. a good 2.7 will struggle to make more than 200hp. (cue angry replies - my 2.7 makes 201 hp all day long etc etc)

plus the rare seats are not rare at all and the car is more like 1300kg, plus never seen a ''sport'' with windy windows, how very 80's!!

as for a car it looks quite good, whether its a ''genuine sport'' is a much hackneyed subject, so if the price is right and it drives good then go for it.

mrlee

yep you are right it is bo--ox.

Engines will always lose power over the years!! And no, an exhaust and chip won't give you 200bhp on an otherwise standard engine. You can actually loose power with an exhaust if it's too large for your power output (regardless of manifold) he sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about and he is rude

Rubbish, if it was that easy we would all be driving around in 200bhp 2.5 you have spend £££ to get that extra 30bhp.

oops just seen the price, which is nice as i have to endure a 6 hour flight tomorrow, so i will think of this car and laugh the whole way back to Bahrain

suchy wrote:Engines will always lose power over the years!! And no, an exhaust and chip won't give you 200bhp on an otherwise standard engine. You can actually loose power with an exhaust if it's too large for your power output (regardless of manifold) he sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about and he is rude

not 100 percent true for well designed engines such as jap motors and a lot of bmws but in the main yes. i know of a 230k honda civic punching more than std power which is pretty cool.

The guy is living an illusion i believe though...fully adjustable air flow meter. im sure that must be why people go after market

scotty86d wrote:

blingsta wrote:i believe that an exhaust can add as much as a extra 10bhp, but the rest from a chip and a alpina rocker ??????

i really only think on a turbo car it can make that difference. something modern with a decat and a remap possibly but hard. an old e30 where the exhaust is pretty darn good anyway. unlikely. a lot of cars ive heard lose 1 or 2 bhp with a scorpion, its mainly the sound that makes you think its better.

your quite right there mate... i gained an xtra 10bhp when i had a custom zaust on my turbo'd 325

mate i built a 2.7 with chip,6 branch,and exhaust system that never made that, some old cars over time will lose bhp

Sure I have seen those pictures before. Is this not a zoners car?

"a previous owner has since contacted me on here and told me it has a alpina rocker cover "

Is this guy injecting any form of drugs? let me get my can of spray and make my alpina rocker cover, like its any different........ praaaaaaaaat


J

mrLEE30 wrote:


plus the rare seats are not rare at all and the car is more like 1300kg, plus never seen a ''sport'' with windy windows, how very 80's!!

as for a car it looks quite good, whether its a ''genuine sport'' is a much hackneyed subject, so if the price is right and it drives good then go for it.

mrlee

It does come up as a sport on here https://www.mycarcheck.com/check/D68OTA/

Quick question , My Alpina is a 2.5 ( admitidly bumped up from a 323 ) and it's got/had about 190-195 bhp.

See my sig!

LOL trust you to point it out

but thats packing the early small port 'zaust manifold , so as suggested the car is powered by BS

me and Sal built a sport with BTB", BBTB, chip and 273/273 cam, she did 195.6 BHP iirc but that was with a fully rebuilt head and a major skim to up the CR.

anyone been to kick the tyres ??? Hoshy is local !

the bloke is talking shit from the start... the m20b25 makes 171bhp... mine made 171.8 wih a short spark and real ropey idle. a chip from my experience dosent yeild much gains... i have a dyno of one chip making 2bhp... all they do is over fuel... needless to say i dont have the chip anymore( i gave that away on here ) and the chipped ecu i was running until yesterday as i swapped back to the original.. if you feel the need to tune the b25 get a decent six branch and a big bore throttle body.... then get the flywheel lightened... then a remap... failing that get an m50/52 b28 in there!! with the ye old inlet swap.

Felix79 wrote:Quick question , My Alpina is a 2.5 ( admitidly bumped up from a 323 ) and it's got/had about 190-195 bhp.

But it would have had a damn sight more done to it than a back box and a chip of questionable origin.

bss325i wrote:See my sig!

And a good 6 branch will make gains. A bolt on muffler will do next to nothing on a NA car. Your gains are understandable. The 200bhp claim in the ad posted above is not.

Another deluded tech one weirdo who thinks his diff donor is a timeless classic. Lets have a look at your sills and inner arches big boy ?
It looks half tidy in the pics but as many hapless tech one buyers have discovered , a shiny paint job is no guarantee of a decent car

AlpineAde wrote:

Felix79 wrote:Quick question , My Alpina is a 2.5 ( admitidly bumped up from a 323 ) and it's got/had about 190-195 bhp.

But it would have had a damn sight more done to it than a back box and a chip of questionable origin.

bss325i wrote:See my sig!

And a good 6 branch will make gains. A bolt on muffler will do next to nothing on a NA car. Your gains are understandable. The 200bhp claim in the ad posted above is not.

Very true. I also have a scorpion rear box and sebring centre section but it dont bother to mention that as the gain is from the BTB2.

The seller is a deluded fool!

Diff donor!

pacerpete wrote:Another deluded tech one weirdo who thinks his diff donor is a timeless classic. Lets have a look at your sills and inner arches big boy ?
It looks half tidy in the pics but as many hapless tech one buyers have discovered , a shiny paint job is no guarantee of a decent car

Its as good as when it left the factory, it says so in the ad

scotty86d wrote:
"These started of with 172bhp and they dont loose it either over the years.

Really? So why did 40 of my horse's end up at the slaughterhouse??

The M20B25 is good,but not that good FFS.

who thought a tech 2 spoiler would look good

Why do people try it on?Some unsuspecting sptty teenager will probably end up with this lump of sh1t. 200bhp????? no way, if he has he could try me at the lights LOL

200BHP and no power steering

What a muppet

id have spanked him in my shitty fiesta anyway

when he said the afm was fully adjustable part of me thought i was wrong to qu him. the other thought he was a retard and didnt understand it as a restriction

well i've jst sent him an email telling him what a retard he really is.
btw, that tech 1 looks lovely, however never trust a car if you dont trust the owner i say.

scotty86d wrote:http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/941986.htm
This guy reckons he's got 200hp, now am i jumping the gun a bit or is he bullshitting. i said a scorpion and chip wont get you **** all in the grand scheme of things and his reponse

"These started of with 172bhp and they dont loose it either over the years.The rite chip on these gives 15-25 look at the racing dynamics website and others (not superchips for your 1.1 saxo).The bore doesnt matter its the fact they flow easier and let the exhaust gases exit faster hence more bhp its age old technology that works on a real car and it helps if you havent got a cat which this hasnt.As for the air flow meter you obviously know nothing as they are fully adjustable on these IF you know what you are doing which you dont.Stick to your saxo they are more simple they suit you."

I agree they don't lose power much fair play but since when does an aftermarket exhaust of the same bore as standard help that much.

Is he chatting bollocks then?

yes!!! mine has a 6 branch manifold, full stainless system, chip and k&n makes about 170 - 180 bhp. however the older tech 1 engines always feel faster.