E30 Zone

i mean what defining item makes this what it is , i mean as bmw offer lots of parts you can have what makes a sport or m . why not go int a dealers in say 1988 and say get a 320i 2 door then say have a mtec kit fitted with say sport seats and suspenction and bbs wheels is that a sport as i has all the bits . some dont even say sport on the log book . unlike most other dealers you have a option to buy a model say L GL GHIA GHIA X RS do bmw have models say l se mtec is that it i am sure some one will now pull this to bits i would just like to know is there a part not fitted to any other bmw e30 that makes a m sport unique.

not sure if the black roof lining was an option

Nor was the closer ratio gear box afaik

'Sport' label was applied to 325i 2 door cars by BMW UK.They had most of the options built in.Thing was,back in the day,they could not shift 2 door 325's,so to make them more attractive they bunged all the options on and called the result 'sport'....these days the market has moved on and no-one wants a 4 door E30 and there seems to be a certain cache to the 'sport' label.

a friend of ours has a four door sport (yes, i know, "no such thing" ) and he wanted the genuine "m" grille badge. the dealer said no, unless he could provide proof by way of the reg doc. he later produced the v5 for checking and was told "thank you sir, that's fine. here's your badge"!

Black headlining

LSD

Loads Of extra as standard

but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

there was a thread on here earlier (i can't seem to find it atm) about a 325 with "alpina extras" which the seller said were "factory ordered", then a discussion re. authenticity, etc. barry said "money talked at bmw" so it was possible to do this, so maybe the same principle applied to "m-tech/hartge" cars (?).

If it does not say 325i sport on the log book (V5) then it is not a genuine sport. Therefore what ever you do to a 320 se or a 325 se like adding Mtec 1, 2 bodykit or LSD, etc, it will never be a sport. Genuine buyers and fans who know BMWs will not buy one or even do it up and call it a sport because they know their stuff.

skipunda wrote:Nor was the closer ratio gear box afaik

Yes it was.

andy1200 wrote:If it does not say 325i sport on the log book (V5) then it is not a genuine sport. Therefore what ever you do to a 320 se or a 325 se like adding Mtec 1, 2 bodykit or LSD, etc, it will never be a sport. Genuine buyers and fans who know BMWs will not buy one or even do it up and call it a sport because they know their stuff.

but hasnt it been shown that you can have sport added to a v5 just by changing the details?

Sport box, Black headlineing and map light mirror were not option's. And only certain colours.
M susspension, lsd, sport seats, s/wheel, rear opening quaters, shadow line, bbs and kit were all options.


There was a thread on this before and someone posted a copy of the broucher.




(And the real one's(86-87) had no e/w no pas no sunroof no extra's at all )

andy1200 wrote:If it does not say 325i sport on the log book (V5) then it is not a genuine sport. Therefore what ever you do to a 320 se or a 325 se like adding Mtec 1, 2 bodykit or LSD, etc, it will never be a sport. Genuine buyers and fans who know BMWs will not buy one or even do it up and call it a sport because they know their stuff.

Just because it doesn't say sport on the V5 doesn't mean it isn't genuine.

The only was 100% to tell if its genuine sport is to give the last 7 digits of the vin to a BMW dealer and ask for a print out of the original spec.

On this is should have code 335* M TECHNIC SPORT PACKAGE.

If it doesn't have this then its not a genuine sport.

fuzzy wrote:but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

If you purchased a 2door 325i and asked for all the sport extras, (ie the 'sport pack' or whatever they called it) it would be a genuine sport

zaust wrote:Sport box, Black headlineing and map light mirror were not option's. And only certain colours.
M susspension, lsd, sport seats, s/wheel, rear opening quaters, shadow line, bbs and kit were all options.


There was a thread on this before and someone posted a copy of the broucher.




(And the real one's(86-87) had no e/w no pas no sunroof no extra's at all )

Map light mirror was an option an ALL E30 expept Convertibles.

Sport close ratio gearbox was available on ALL 325i's but i'm not sure about 320i's.

My old Alpina sport pack equiped convertible had one and it was ordered new like that as i had the dealer print out and it was on there!

oakey wrote:

fuzzy wrote:but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

If you purchased a 2door 325i and asked for all the sport extras, (ie the 'sport pack' or whatever they called it) it would be a genuine sport

but what if it was a 4 door or touring? you can have basically a sport in everything but name?

It was a model specified by the importers (BMW UK I guess). It was only available in the UK and was made up of options that were all individually available from the factory but didn't necessarily have to be ordered together. The only part of the package that wasn't available on other cars seems to have been the black headlining. It's possible that BMW UK ordered it specially, or they might have just have not listed it for punters to order for themselves. I'm sure someone could find out if they really want to

The debate about making a sport yourself runs and runs. My personal opinion is that the state of the shell is more important than what the logbook says (and the mtech kits are nice moisture traps) and I don't see the difference between making your own and "re-shell" which happens in to Hartge/Alpine cars from time to time. However, some other people really really don't agree with my point of view. In the end, its only worth what someone will pay for it - and sports do attract a premium.

If you asked me for a 2 door but then wanted a sport pack I would sell you a sport and fit the extras that you wanted over and above.

oakey wrote:

fuzzy wrote:but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

If you purchased a 2door 325i and asked for all the sport extras, (ie the 'sport pack' or whatever they called it) it would be a genuine sport

No Dave, you would have to order all the options individualy.

No suchh option as code 335* M TECHNIC SPORT PACKAGE.

So no, if you ordered all the options individually it would not be a genuine sport!

m tech kit, and sport on the logbook. and 2.5 ltr

fuzzy wrote:

oakey wrote:

fuzzy wrote:but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

If you purchased a 2door 325i and asked for all the sport extras, (ie the 'sport pack' or whatever they called it) it would be a genuine sport

but what if it was a 4 door or touring? you can have basically a sport in everything but name?

and black head lining!

magpie wrote:m tech kit, and sport on the logbook. and 2.5 ltr

It doesn't have to have sport on the log book to be genuine!

Read my posts above!

And Map mirror

all as clear as mud then!

Oh and the main reason why the sport was offered as a uk only was that the LHD M3 proved to be unpopular and not a great seller due to LHD, hence the sport being introduced!

^clearly

zaust wrote:And Map mirror

Read my previous posts!

Map mirror was an option on ALL E30's EXCEPT CONVERTIBLES!!

Morat wrote:The only part of the package that wasn't available on other cars seems to have been the black headlining.

...but you could order a tin of black tyre paint and a brush!

bss325i wrote:

I don't think this is going to be a very rational thread mate!

bss325i wrote:Oh and the main reason why the sport was offered as a uk only was that the LHD M3 proved to be unpopular and not a great seller due to LHD, hence the sport being introduced!

why didnt they sell a 320is here with the s14 engine as in portugal ?

fuzzy wrote:

bss325i wrote:Oh and the main reason why the sport was offered as a uk only was that the LHD M3 proved to be unpopular and not a great seller due to LHD, hence the sport being introduced!

why didnt they sell a 320is here with the s14 engine as in portugal ?

Because ALL 320iS's were LHD to!

Notice how on the new bmw's they have pikey I's, ES, SE, and SPORT trim levels now. All started way back on the E30! with SE and SPORT. LUX was a 4 cylinder SE as SE's started on the 6 pots

then all the in's and outs like 318is just came as they were and what ever extra options you wanted one fixed trim level

bss325i wrote:

oakey wrote:

fuzzy wrote:but could any e30 be purchased with all the sport extras as options with everything except the word 'sport'?

If you purchased a 2door 325i and asked for all the sport extras, (ie the 'sport pack' or whatever they called it) it would be a genuine sport

No Dave, you would have to order all the options individualy.

No suchh option as code 335* M TECHNIC SPORT PACKAGE.

So no, if you ordered all the options individually it would not be a genuine sport!

Oh ok. Didn't know that.
Obviously no fool would buy a 2door 325i and pay more to have all the options added individually as no doubt it would cost more? So it's unlikely for there to be any.

bss325i wrote:

Can I make this worse for you Barry, The hot tuning manifold is better than the BTB shite (I'm joking, Climb down off the ceiling )