E30 Zone

Just reading about drifting on this and another forums, got quite heated with words like 'chav' and 'council' being bandied about.
I can't help think of analogies.....
Are the drifters the skateboarders/snowboarders of the motorsport fraternity?
Is drifting a 'one trick pony' with a limited shelf life?
I like to slide my car round the roundabouts on the way home from a nightshift just for a bit of fun, but have no inclination to run off to one of the mnay airfields and trash a set of tyres.
Being able to drift a car is like a gymnast being able to do a backflip, and that's all. It might take a bit of skill, but once you have it down pat, there's not much more to it and is about as interesting to watch?
I suppose drifting is good in the right place and time, like WRC or touring car racing. But as a sport it is boring on it's own. It seems to think it's unique, but in reality, it only takes one aspect of driving skill from other forms of motorsport. Gigi Galli I could watch drifting as part of a race or Mick Doohan on a GP bike, but as a sport in itself, drifting is like watching a game of squash.

lance1a wrote:Being able to drift a car is like a gymnast being able to do a backflip, and that's all. It might take a bit of skill, but once you have it down pat, there's not much more to it

....... Except to go to the local airfield/track/retail park car park and try to impress your mates while (silently) saying "look at me!!" - much like a 4 year old who's just ridden his bike without stabilisers for the first time.

OK, so you can hold a car in a controlled slide...... Big f*****g deal.
Like Shania Twain said - That Don't Impress Me Much.

i agree. but those that do it seriously will try to convince you its an art form thats on a difficulty level with brain surgery and rocket science.
then they get all offended when you say its not that difficult. especially not in an wide open area or track with large run off areas. some little plastic cones wont do much damage, trying in between some large concrete blocks instead would add a little interest but i agree its not a spectator sport, its something to do yourself or with a mate for a little while when bored, much like golf or snooker.

I used to thrash my first car round an abandoned airfield when I was err "growing up" and yes it was a lot of fun. I certainly wasn't looking for crowds at the time! I wouldn't call it a sport, but hey - get some people together with a common interest and competition will soon develop. I wouldn't put drifting up on a par with rallying or circuit racing but if people enjoy it and don't kill each other - why not?

Horses for courses me thinks. IN general drifting does not interest me, especially seeing a tired 4dr e30 bouncing off the limiter being thrown around some cones at the pod for example, but the proper races where they go heads up demands some skill

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I think like a lot of new sports it get those who have done it once or twice and that makes them an expert and so taint the reputation of the more serious drifter. It's been mentioned before that to some dweebs it's an excuse for having a car that looks like shite because...'Yuh, it's a drift car man'
If you took it to a higher level, so that there was an actual race on a complete circuit more that a few hundred yards in length and they had to drift around every corner then you would end up with WRC anyway.

I enjoy drifting, but would prefer 2wd rallying anyday!! Cant beat watching mk2's going crazy!!

lance1a wrote:an excuse for having a car that looks like shite because...'Yuh, it's a drift car man......

......Innit!?!?"

Shoot the haterz,it's a lifestyle, man !

Losers 'drifting' round car parks are laughable, but I really recommend going out with someone with a bit of talent, drifting at high speeds is great fun and needs a good level of skill. If you get the chance, go out in karan's s14 'driftcar' (still faster than most sparco cocks in their track-cars, much to their dismay) and see what you think then.

lance1a wrote:I like to slide my car round the roundabouts on the way home from a nightshift just for a bit of fun, but have no inclination to run off to one of the mnay airfields and trash a set of tyres.
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Like this?

Shame about the car!

User on here -

Na like this..



and a wee bit of messing about

Drifters don't go looking for crowds, crowds go looking for Drifters, probably because they find it more interesting than watching if same cars buzz around a circuit doing nothing amazing for hours on end.

The "roundabout drifting" that has been suggested to be acceptable around here is Not only highly illegal, it's dangerous and the hight of chav/barry/councilness. How the hell can you admit to doing that, and then pratically laugh at people who want to doing more or less the exact same thing as you, just in a safe and legal environment?

Personally I have no interest in spunking £100+ on M-Tech Steering wheels, £300+ on M-Tech II bodykits and god knows how much on Genuine alpine wheels like the majority of the zoners here seem to be interested in doing, and yet I don't constantly complain about like you lot go on about drifting. As they say, Horses for courses.

The snobbery on this site is hilarious when you consider this site is dedicated to cars which the majority aren't worth more than a grand on very good day...

Joshy wrote:Drifters don't go looking for crowds, crowds go looking for Drifters, probably because they find it more interesting than watching if same cars buzz around a circuit doing nothing amazing for hours on end.

The "roundabout drifting" that has been suggested to be acceptable around here is Not only highly illegal, it's dangerous and the hight of chav/barry/councilness. How the hell can you admit to doing that, and then pratically laugh at people who want to doing more or less the exact same thing as you, just in a safe and legal environment?

Personally I have no interest in spunking £100+ on M-Tech Steering wheels, £300+ on M-Tech II bodykits and god knows how much on Genuine alpine wheels like the majority of the zoners here seem to be interesting in doing, and yet I don't constantly complain about like you lot go on about drifting. As they say, Horses for courses.

The snobbery on this site is hilarious when you consider this site is dedicated to cars which the majority aren't worth more than a grand on very good day...

Well said!!

pacerpete wrote:Shoot the haterz,it's a lifestyle, man !

so's homosexuality but i have no interest in that either.

The snobbery on this site is hilarious when you consider this site is dedicated to cars which the majority aren't worth more than a grand on very good day...

i dont put it down to snobbery.when somethings sh1te its sh1te. people do tend to know what they like. its basic car control taken to a slighly higher level by doing it deliberately.and even easier in an e30 because its a well balanced car . you can kick the back end out easily and as long as you dont panic and try to over correct it even the most lead footed driver can look like a car park hero.

fuzzy wrote:

pacerpete wrote:Shoot the haterz,it's a lifestyle, man !

so's homosexuality but i have no interest in that either.

Fuzzy, you just haven't met the right 'boy' !

pacerpete wrote:

fuzzy wrote:

pacerpete wrote:Shoot the haterz,it's a lifestyle, man !

so's homosexuality but i have no interest in that either.

Fuzzy, you just haven't met the right 'boy' !

your right, i havent met max

fuzzy wrote:

The snobbery on this site is hilarious when you consider this site is dedicated to cars which the majority aren't worth more than a grand on very good day...

i dont put it down to snobbery.when somethings sh1te its sh1te. people do tend to know what they like.

fuzzy wrote: its basic car control taken to a slighly higher level by doing it deliberately you can kick the back end out easily and as long as you dont panic and try to over correct it even the most lead footed driver can look like a car park hero.

i sometimes get the car sideways when turning into arthurton road from the buxton road, there is a little chicane, second gear and plant it... all good fun.... in the wet lol.

sidways is fun no doubt about it, i have been to a few drift days and would much prefer a proper trackday than a drift day its very hard on the car, one drift day is more wear than many trackdays.
but i can see why people like drifting done well it does look cool,
End of the day its horse for courses and another meaningless debate is pointless

Bet the neighbours love this guy!

dlatch wrote:sidways is fun no doubt about it, i have been to a few drift days and would much prefer a proper trackday than a drift day its very hard on the car, one drift day is more wear than many trackdays.
but i can see why people like drifting done well it does look cool,
End of the day its horse for courses and another meaningless debate is pointless

meaningless debate on pointless subjects makes the place slightly more interesting rather than lots of technical originality bufty boredom

Speedtouch wrote:Bet the neighbours love this guy!

i dont like to see the cars being treated like that

dimebag_from_hell wrote:

Joshy wrote:Drifters don't go looking for crowds, crowds go looking for Drifters, probably because they find it more interesting than watching if same cars buzz around a circuit doing nothing amazing for hours on end.

The "roundabout drifting" that has been suggested to be acceptable around here is Not only highly illegal, it's dangerous and the hight of chav/barry/councilness. How the hell can you admit to doing that, and then pratically laugh at people who want to doing more or less the exact same thing as you, just in a safe and legal environment?

Personally I have no interest in spunking £100+ on M-Tech Steering wheels, £300+ on M-Tech II bodykits and god knows how much on Genuine alpine wheels like the majority of the zoners here seem to be interesting in doing, and yet I don't constantly complain about like you lot go on about drifting. As they say, Horses for courses.

The snobbery on this site is hilarious when you consider this site is dedicated to cars which the majority aren't worth more than a grand on very good day...

Well said!!

Yes well said indeed.

Oh and.... There is a Motorsport section on here for those that dont care for comfort and looks

OBs

check this guy out.... he's a drift legend

Joshy wrote:The "roundabout drifting" that has been suggested to be acceptable around here is Not only highly illegal, it's dangerous and the hight of chav/barry/councilness. How the hell can you admit to doing that, and then pratically laugh at people who want to doing more or less the exact same thing as you, just in a safe and legal environment?

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Sliding a car around a roundabout at 04.00 am with no other cars within a good few miles (I live in the country on a farm) harms no-one but myself if I screw up. And I personally wasn't laughing at anyone, merely questioning the longevity and the overall point of the sport. I understand the serious guys and the skill levels involved but at the muppets with half a clue who seem to think they are driving gods. If you get your nose out of joint about the comments made that's your problem, it's a forum, this is it's point.

lance1a wrote:

Joshy wrote:The "roundabout drifting" that has been suggested to be acceptable around here is Not only highly illegal, it's dangerous and the hight of chav/barry/councilness. How the hell can you admit to doing that, and then pratically laugh at people who want to doing more or less the exact same thing as you, just in a safe and legal environment?

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Sliding a car around a roundabout at 04.00 am with no other cars within a good few miles (I live in the country on a farm) harms no-one but myself if I screw up. And I personally wasn't laughing at anyone, merely questioning the longevity and the overall point of the sport. I understand the serious guys and the skill levels involved but at the muppets with half a clue who seem to think they are driving gods. If you get your nose out of joint about the comments made that's your problem, it's a forum, this is it's point.

You have a point, i wouldnt say its a Bonefide sport as its almost impossible to judge, Not like a race where you can quite clearly come 1st 2nd 3rd etc.
I do however adore drifting! i think it looks awesome when done right, has spawned some absolutely awesome looking cars and you cant get much cheaper fun than drifting £50 snotbox's from ebay!
so in my opinion, its not a competition but its a fucking good laugh!

exactly, its a fun thing to do for a little while when your feeling a bit adventurous.its not an olympic sport just yet.

I think this is the first drift related thread I've seen here thats actually got reasonable responses on, rather than the usual 'drifting is gay, you're a c*ck go do something decent!'

So well done guys!

Personally, as some of you know, I'm all for drifting, its great fun when you do it, and has a huge adrenaline rush. I don't do it for the watchers, but for myself. Its not a lifestyle, its a hobby (albeit an expensive one). Fuzzy, I agree totally with that last post - its for fun, personally I don't think I'd enjoy competing at drifting, but if I had a purpose track car too, I'd definitely competitively race!

As Joshy said - we'd rather spend money making the car better and on seat time (I regularly do drift days, how many can say they regularly do track days?), than spending it on just making it look better.

Function over form ftw (saying that, I did make a mistake not taking that splitter from you lance1a yesterday, I'll be back soon!

Gibson wrote:


check this guy out.... he's a drift legend

Legand = http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=580
or


Not a chav in the slightest

papercutout wrote:I think this is the first drift related thread I've seen here thats actually got reasonable responses on, rather than the usual 'drifting is gay, you're a c*ck go do something decent!'

So well done guys!

i forgot to add that drifting is done by anti social homosexual cocks who really should use their time to do something more worthwhile.

I knew I should never have given in and stuck with instinct - never agree with fuzzy on ANYTHING, it'll always go worse for me

i dont even have an opinion.

murran wrote:i dont even have an opinion.

yes you do.... go on spit it out. although your sig sort of gives away what side you bat for