E30 Zone

Fuel is going to hit £ 1.50 qa ltr by the end of the summer......

Hi there's an "epetition" on the downing street website to get the duty reduced by 20p . Here is the link, get signing and tell anyone else you know in other car clubs to do it as well........
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Cut-fuel-price/

......and this one is about getting the stupid 2001 retrospective road tax scrapped......

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/UNFAIR-VED/

cheers dave

Sorry mate it will never happen, if you don't like the price of fuel, get on your bike or walk. If the duty is dropped by 20p where are they going to generate that money from to keep spendiing it on schools and hospitals?

The government is allready in defecit and owes more money than it has, they need to generate more money to keep spending on vital services.

It would be better if the government were perfect and didn't waste money but they do and as such need that 20p per litre of fuel sold to keep the country running.

march109 wrote:Sorry mate it will never happen, if you don't like the price of fuel, get on your bike or walk.

..... or convert to LPG. 49.9p/ltr - just gone up from 47p. When you factor-in the increase in fuel consumption, it's equivalent to 62p/ltr.

just signed it

StuBeeDoo wrote: ..... or convert to LPG. 49.9p/ltr - just gone up from 47p. When you factor-in the increase in fuel consumption, it's equivalent to 62p/ltr.

E30s are so cheap and easy to convert, there's really no excuse not to!

If everyone jumps on the lpg thats gonna shoot up aswel, these petitions make no difference. If you can't afford to run your car, don't. Pretty simple realy. Or fill up and don't pay.

I was never into LPG before, but the other day when I filled my e30 up with petrol and then I looked at the price £1.09 odd and there below it said 59.9p p/litre for LPG

now I'm seriously considering converting to LPG

Gaszman you have PM

snoops wrote:59.9p p/litre for LPG

F*** me!! That's expensive.

Brianmoooore wrote:E30s are so cheap and easy to convert, there's really no excuse not to!

Damn right Brian. I can't believe there aren't more systems getting fitted here.

But it's not just the huge,above inflation rise in fuel duty that is the problem.The robbing sods have deleted the 10p tax rate as well,increases are arriving for road tax ,my 3% annual inflation pay increase has been reduced to a miserly £14pw,when I factor in the huge rise in the cost of going to work I am worse off than I was 12 months ago Still,lets hope that the local government election results will send a clear signal to our wonderfull non-driving prime minister that his days are numbered unless things change.... rant over.

{An email that I was sent this week}
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The Prime Minister's Office has responded to that petition and you can view
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Fuel prices will never go back down to a respectable figure (it was 60ish pence when i first started driving!) as they simply don't care how many people vote on these sort of petitions.

As long as they don't have people physically doing something (blocking refineries or whatever it is that they do) they couldn't care less.

The government keeps f*cking up with the money we pay in tax and will just tax us more and more to compensate for their inability to either care or want to do what it is that their in power for.

StuBeeDoo wrote:

snoops wrote:59.9p p/litre for LPG

F*** me!! That's expensive.

It's what I've had to pay at my local BP for months!

I found a list of my incomings and outgoings the other day, it was done for the bank when we moved 4 years ago, I was amazed just how much cheaper everything was, fuel was only £180-200 a month and there was a receipt for BP at 69p litre for diesel, I paid 1.26 the other day and it cost me £76, and 4 days later I am filling up again. It now costs me around £380 a month.

My gas was coming to the end of a fixed rate deal that was 3 years old and was costing me £25 a month, it now cots me £130 a month!!

Sky TV was £32, now £55.

Electricity was £22 a month, now £45.

Mortgage, was £850 fixed at 3.9% and now £1300.

My outgoings have nearly doubled, 4 years ago I was pretty well off, now I am skint every month.
Inflation at 2.5% my cock!!


This government is meant to be for the people, they have completely shafted us all, the have have made life for the big coperates easier and easier and for the average person in the uk and small business they have well and truly buggered all of us.


They have well and truly over spent, so there is no way they can reduce the duty on fuel, they are desperate for money, and they can hide behind a veil saying it is being 'green'. Same with all the cameras they are putting up, it is a revenue and nothing more.

The problem is more for small business' and manufacturers. they are getting priced out of the global market, and the business is going to overseas owned companies, and to manufacturers based in places like China, and do you think China are saying "You know what? with all this extra business we better make an effort to be greener!"
Of course they aren't, they are rubbing their hands together and laughing at us, if we took every car in the UK off the road for a year China will still produce more co2 gasses in 6 days, so by giving up what little control we have we are making the world a worse off place.

Fuel is getting expensive, and with it so is everything else, get used to it, it is not going to get any cheaper. What we need to start doing is making sure everything stays reasonable, like not paying £25 a day for congestion charge, and amking sure those that do not earn a massive wage get some help in other areas like tax relief on the first 10p in every pound, and help with council tax payments.
And why are we paying contractors millions a year to clean our parks, get the graffiti of the walls, and clean the streets?? Surely those that are on the doll should be doing that like they do in other countries, they have to earn their dole money, and they all say the same thing, after a week of having to work 9-5pm for your dole money you soon find yourself a better paid job that's for sure.

The UK is a mess to be honest, and fuel prices are getting scary, but they are made to look worse because it also pushes the price of just about everything else we buy up as well, and that leaves us with less money each month, so it is a double whammy.

perhaps one tax the government could impose is on goods imported into the uk from abroad to encourage people to buy home made goods instead and also encourage some of the companies relocating abroad to stay uk based?

Problem is it is too late for that, with over 80% of our goods coming from overseas all it would do in the short term is make everyone worse off, meaning the economy slows down, house prices tumble, small retailers go bust, people loose their jobs and the country goes into a massive recession.

We have become a state that does not look after those that want to get on in life, we have made it too hard to get back into work, we should be helping people on low wages, not penalising them, there is something wrong when you are better off not working than working for a low wage, and that has to be rectified.

daimlerman wrote:my 3% annual inflation pay increase has been reduced to a miserly £14pw

Lucky you! The last pay rise I had was at the beginning of 2005.
Mind, I'll be getting one next time the NMW goes up.

...... And don't say "well change jobs then". It's bloody near impossible for (nearly) 50y-o's. Ageism does still exist in employment - I'm more than qualified for the jobs I'm applying for but I'm not even getting interviews.
If it wasn't for me being bled dry by 11 years of New Labour government, I'd have been retiring this year - looks like it won't even happen in 10 years time now.

There was a report out showing that for an average family, 2 people earning £40k a year, doing 12k miles, with a 3 bed house, with 2 kids we are now paying around 40% more tax than in the year before labour got in.
Those that earn the big money are better off, and those that are on the lowest incomes are now hit even harder.
The problem with labour is they falsely advertise them selves, they make out they are here for the majority but they end up taxing the majority the most because they know if brings them the most revenue.
They get to a point where it all goes tits up, get ousted and leave someone else with the mess who then get the blame. A little bit of history repeating itself.

I bet alot of members on here can't remember what Britain was like when Labour was in power the last time? The country was an absolute mess, literally, by the time the people said enough and booted them out.
Just look at the Northern Rock fiasco, it reminds me of the coalmines, keep throwing our money at a problem to keep a business that is no longer a viable option delaying the inevitable.
Be happy knowing that the increase you are paying in fuel duty is helping to cover the Northern Rock billions, cause you wouldn't have wanted those poor people who gambled their money on NR shares loosing out would you?? Of course not, and its alright because if we all bung in £2000 each over the next couple of years they won't have to.

And the Post Office, the government and Unions stepping in to support the workers, well sorry, my pension went 4 years ago, my overtime went 3 years ago, and I definitely don't get paid overtime for the hours I am contracted for just because I finish that days work early, I start doing something else.
The bosses at the Post Office have basically said "If we do not cut back now and all go back to doing what we are meant to be doing we will all be out of a job."
But no, good old unions will fight the workers corner knowing full well it could put them all out of business.
Be careful, Deutsch Poste are waiting in the wings to do it better, faster and cheaper than the Post Office has ever seen.

labour is like a big union, they will throw money at a problem, money that they haven't got, knowing their stay is short term and that when someone steps in and says 'enough is enough' it won't be them, so they won't get the blame.

StuBeeDoo wrote:

daimlerman wrote:my 3% annual inflation pay increase has been reduced to a miserly £14pw

Lucky you! The last pay rise I had was at the beginning of 2005.
Mind, I'll be getting one next time the NMW goes up.

...... And don't say "well change jobs then". It's bloody near impossible for (nearly) 50y-o's. Ageism does still exist in employment - I'm more than qualified for the jobs I'm applying for but I'm not even getting interviews.
If it wasn't for me being bled dry by 11 years of New Labour government, I'd have been retiring this year - looks like it won't even happen in 10 years time now.

Stubeedoo,my long lost bruv,you forget that I will be 58 next birthday....I abtained a HGV 1 whilst in the RAF and this is now my 'meal ticket'...keep sending those job applications off,not everybody rejects us over 50's,my local B@Q is full of them...

The government kills you to drive your car. But as has been said, You need your car ,generally, to get to work to earn money and they know that.

Best thing to do is just except it.

Personally the tax going up could be a good thing. Means that old bm's with big engines will be worth pennies. I see a wave of e30's with huge engines in

fuzzy wrote:perhaps one tax the government could impose is on goods imported into the uk from abroad to encourage people to buy home made goods instead and also encourage some of the companies relocating abroad to stay uk based?

oops, i seem to have posted this in the wrong thread. i think this was meant for the ken or boris thread.....

fuzzy wrote:perhaps one tax the government could impose is on goods imported into the uk from abroad to encourage people to buy home made goods instead and also encourage some of the companies relocating abroad to stay uk based?

In total agreement with. I'd much rather pay a few quid more for uk products.

bmwonly wrote:

fuzzy wrote:perhaps one tax the government could impose is on goods imported into the uk from abroad to encourage people to buy home made goods instead and also encourage some of the companies relocating abroad to stay uk based?

In total agreement with. I'd much rather pay a few quid more for uk products.

i posted that in the wrong thread but my thoughts were keeping the prices of our goods the same or slightly cheaper but loading up the cheap imports to make them dearer than home made stuff.i dont want to pay more.

TOP TIP TO AVOID FUEL TAX... By a cheap diesel runaround which your not bothered about/can afford to have confiscated, then run it on red diesel and/or vegetable oil... Problem solved! Then, use the E30 for weekends!!! God i hate this country..........

i've just got back from holland and unleaded is 1.50 euro and the derv is 1.20

So by my rough maths they are paying a bit more over on the continent?

The sad news is that I can't see any good news over the horizon. We (the UK) have been living on too much credit which has fuelled house prices and produced a false feel good factor that the government have ridden for as long as they can. Now even the banks are short of cash, so they're not lending it out on the easy terms that they used to and they're even asking their shareholders for more capital. Mortgages are heading back to 20% down and 3x salary as they used to be in the old days and with the average wage in the UK being about £25k that doesn't leave a lot of optimism for the housing market.
Fuel costs are even more scary, because there's nothing the UK can do about it apart from reducing tax - which isn't going to happen unless the government find another way to tax us. They've spent a sodding fortune on all sorts of things which just have not produced results. Its time for a change - but I really have no idea if the alternatives are any better. Planning for more than 5 years just isn't in the politicians best interest

fuzzy wrote:perhaps one tax the government could impose is on goods imported into the uk from abroad to encourage people to buy home made goods instead and also encourage some of the companies relocating abroad to stay uk based?

Protectionism has never worked as a political or economic philosophy! You stop China importing by upping the tax China will react!! We many not be exporting products to China but UK companies are providing lots of services to them so all they would have to do would be stop issuing visa's to UK Company employees and we would as a nation feel the impact.

Best thing any government can do is assist UK Business to more globally competitive and review our immigration processes to ensure we don't lose our skills base …… eg the IT Sector!!!!!

tax cuts on uk goods then. that would promote the buying of home made products and stimulate the production and market for such products meaning no real loss of revenue for the government?

Certain products like contraceptives are VAT exempt allready, I think Fuzzy is on to a winner here, how about 10% VAT on all home grown products instead of the current 17.5%?

No taxing imports so more internationally acceptable.

Sorry guys it amounts to the same. The Americans tried this tactic in the 1920's which started the "Great Depression". The answer to the UK's so-called problems are complex and will not be found in sweeping tax cuts, we need a real change in social, education and economic philosophy's first then tax cut could be a realistic prospect.

Firstly, I like the idea of people working for their dole money... Good idea.

I think a lot of this economic meltdown is due to the government throwing money at any Tom, Dick or Harry that wants to come and live in this country but isn't able to work... Not to mention the "free" health care they receive at the tax payers expense. We should have toughened up our immigration policy years ago, but then we have been under Labour rule for a long time so what else would you expect!

I also agree that the government hides behind this eco-green b*llox... Our CO2 emissions pale into insignificance compared to China and the USA... And who say's it's CO2 that's the only culprit... What about other greenhouse gasses?

If it's the planet they were really after saving surely they would ration beef since livestock emissions are more damaging to the ozone layer than the transport industry? Let's tax McDonalds and Burger King to death for beef use and for their contribution to the NHS overload.

Why not stop shipping containers full of bottled water from France when we have our own either from a tap or from a bottle filled in the United Kingdom?

Or why not target large supermarkets like Tesco, Morrisons or Asda and make them clamp down on their emmisions? The pollution caused by their refrigeration units alone must be enormous.

From the point of view of the diesel car driver, why is diesel so much more expensive than petrol? Diesel is a less refined fuel than petrol which should make it cheaper, plus it is supposedly better for the environment than petrol yet it is priced higher?

It's all crap. Gordon Brown emptied the coffers while he was Chancellor of the Exchequer and now, as the unelected Prime Minister, is trying to repair the damage. The sooner we get rid of him the better. Things need to change and quick before this whole country sinks.





Off with his head!

bazeebond wrote:the unelected Prime Minister

Brown was elected - by his party members.
We don't have a proportional representation system, so when you vote in a general election, you aren't voting for a leader (PM), you're only voting for your local MP. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's why the British system is wrong.

we pay 100 fills a litre for 98 octane and 80 fills for 95 octane.

there are 1000 fills to a dinar and .78 dinars to the pound so do the maths

my Prado has a 160 litre tank and this costs me 16 dinars to fill (20.51 in old money )

But of course like all Arab countries we do have our own private oil well pumping in the back yard Oh yeah and we all park our Rolls Royces outside our tent next to our camel/wife

Grooveryder and March take notes!!

mrlee

Blair got out at the right time He wasn't stupid.

mrLEE30 wrote:we pay 100 fills a litre for 98 octane and 80 fills for 95 octane.

there are 1000 fills to a dinar and .78 dinars to the pound so do the maths

my Prado has a 160 litre tank and this costs me 16 dinars to fill (20.51 in old money )

But of course like all Arab countries we do have our own private oil well pumping in the back yard Oh yeah and we all park our Rolls Royces outside our tent next to our camel/wife

Grooveryder and March take notes!!

mrlee

Wow. That's cheap!

Apart from cheap fuel, what's life in Bahrain like?

Hot!