M3 madness

[Bob_S]

to be honest I like all rwd cars from the 80 and 90s so that includes E30s but my "hero" as you say is the Cossie and I will always have or want it - regardless of the fact i just broke my last one for parts lol.

As said previously good cars will ALWAYS command good money. If you leave it like how it left the factory you will get top dollar.

have you driven an e30 m3?

[Morat]

Jimmy Nail drove a cossie in Spender. I think that sums up their image

[Falkster]

Jimmy Nail drove a cossie in Spender. I think that sums up their image

It was a facelift though!!

Its really weird how people show how biased they are. Ive had 2 Cosworths, one 89 RWD and a '92 4X4 and they were just really fast (chipped) heaps of s**t.
The only reason why the 3 door is still priced as they are is purely because of the race pedigree and not the build or the fact that it was a good car. They were a pretty good engine in a sh**e car......christ everything used to crack on them.

[ShepsEvo3]

There are alot of crap cossies about, but find a nice one and actually they are great! Just a stg 1 chip and actuator is needed, 15psi with 270+bhp and it's a pretty awesome car. Get one which has been to 500bhp and back, been driven by half of Joy riders and ram raiders in the UK and you're asking for trouble... pretty much the same as the M3, except in the day, they were not favoured by car thieves... not as easy to break in to and once in, not as easy to drive away in.

If you're selling a Cossie/RS500, Australia is the place to sell.

[bss325i]

A nice Sierra cosworth is a fine chariot. Its tarnished image from scumbag owners is what lets it down but hey, hold on a minute.....

..,how many E30's (Not just M3's!) are/have been owned by vermin that should have been put down at birth?!

More i would say!

[Falkster]

But there are more E30s than Cosworths so that doesnt make sense.....we were comparing M3s and not a general run of the mill.
My first Cosworth was a 89 G RWD with 45k on the clock so was by no means old or abused. It was standard and not that quick but it didnt feel how I thought it should be. The gearboxes are shit and even when newish you still struggle to change gears due to shit non spring loaded gear box etc etc.

[bss325i]

But there are more E30s than Cosworths so that doesnt make sense.....we were comparing M3s and not a general run of the mill.
My first Cosworth was a 89 G RWD with 45k on the clock so was by no means old or abused. It was standard and not that quick but it didnt feel how I thought it should be. The gearboxes are shit and even when newish you still struggle to change gears due to shit non spring loaded gear box etc etc.

Ok like for like, M3 for cossie, there are still an imense amount of owners who have ruined M3's. The M3 may not have been the criminals favorite but there have been plenty of "Bruvs" to mollest them.

Ask Pete!

[Falkster]

But you see less chav'd up M3s then Cosworths.

Depends what you class as chav'd up.

I have 'updated' my brakes, alloys and suspension plus tried to release some of the power that was in the race versions....is that chav?

[Dan318-is]

Ford suck, period. Try changing the head gasket on any ford from 1980ish to now. No thanks! They are built cheap and nastily and manufactured, NOT engineered, for profit, and that is a fact. The only good thing about the cosworth is the engine (which is probably nothing to do with ford in terms of development and tuning).

Look how many are on the road now from back in the day compared to beemers, mercs etc. As for the m3 vs. sierra debate, historic race stats speak for themselves.

[Simon13]

Barry, my question to you as a ford perv. Why isn't there a sierra on your drive instead of the sport? - Criminals favourite if i ever knew was a sport! spliff rolling mirror fitted as standard! lol

One look at the cossie interior is enough, time hasn't been kind to the look of them either.

Wheres Spadger to fly the Ford flag eh?!

[bss325i]

Ford suck, period. Try changing the head gasket on any ford from 1980ish to now. No thanks! They are built cheap and nastily and manufactured, NOT engineered, for profit, and that is a fact. The only good thing about the cosworth is the engine (which is probably nothing to do with ford in terms of development and tuning).

Look how many are on the road now from back in the day compared to beemers, mercs etc. As for the m3 vs. sierra debate, historic race stats speak for themselves.

Dan my deluded child, Fords from the 80's are not renowed for doing head gaskets with the regularity of BMW 6 cylinder engines (cossie YB asside) and pinto's ,CVH's OHV engine are far easier to do head gaskets on you woman. How many Ford head gaskets have you changed to base you judgement on?

You obviosly know nothing about the history of the YB if you think Ford had nothing to do with its development.

The race stats maybe in favor of the M3 but but only because the Cosworth was outlawed after anihalating everything.

[Simon13]

Roberto Ravaglias words, we beats the fords because we had better tactics and our cars were more reliable

Bmws crack heads not head gaskets -they're the quality part!

[bss325i]

Barry, my question to you as a ford perv. Why isn't there a sierra on your drive instead of the sport? - Criminals favourite if i ever knew was a sport! spliff rolling mirror fitted as standard! lol

One look at the cossie interior is enough, time hasn't been kind to the look of them either.

Wheres Spadger to fly the Ford flag eh?!

FACT the Sierra cosworth was at one point the most stollen car in the UK! It was a favourite for armed blaggers, joy riders, ram raiders as well as many other criminal elements of society. Not to mention how rife cosworth theft was for ringing and selling of stollen parts.

Yes the E30 was considered a "drug dealers car" and again theft was high but they never had the notoriety of the Cosworth.

As for not having one on my drive, never say never!

[Simon13]

NEVER EVER!

[bss325i]

NEVER EVER!

The sale of the pina could yeild a minty 3dr!

[Dan318-is]

Ford suck, period. Try changing the head gasket on any ford from 1980ish to now. No thanks! They are built cheap and nastily and manufactured, NOT engineered, for profit, and that is a fact. The only good thing about the cosworth is the engine (which is probably nothing to do with ford in terms of development and tuning).

Look how many are on the road now from back in the day compared to beemers, mercs etc. As for the m3 vs. sierra debate, historic race stats speak for themselves.

Dan my deluded child, Fords from the 80's are not renowed for doing head gaskets with the regularity of BMW 6 cylinder engines (cossie YB asside) and pinto's ,CVH's OHV engine are far easier to do head gaskets on you woman. How many Ford head gaskets have you changed to base you judgement on?

You obviosly know nothing about the history of the YB if you think Ford had nothing to do with its development.

The race stats maybe in favor of the M3 but but only because the Cosworth was outlawed after anihalating everything.

Cosworths, not Fords. I am by no means denying that cosworth make better engines, of course they do! Neither am i saying that 20year old+ fords blow head gaskets. What i am saying is, they are not designed or engineered to last or to be worked on (ford NOT cosworth). When they design the engines/assemblies in dagenham or detroit, wherever, it is as if they pay absolutly no thought to removal, refitting, or, sometimes quality and tolerancing, ESPECIALLY on the newer ones. Even on the older escorts i personally have had troubles compared to say a much larger engined bmw or alike.

I don't want to turn this into a ford slagging fest but it has to be noted that Ford are a mass production company for the road, Cosworth are a world leading engineering consultancy firm. People can say that fords are classics and look the don and this may be true, but in terms of engineering they suck!

[bss325i]

People can say that fords are classics and look the don and this may be true, but in terms of engineering they suck!

No worse than any non german contemporary rival back then.

Fords do not suck, far from its and in terms of engineering they have come on ten fold in the last ten years so much so the the gap has closed considerably.

Ford of Europe are largely German anyway and have been since the 70's!

[Simon13]

Shame really as there are some really talented guys working at Ford. Think of all the contraints in their design briefs for all the departments when they released the focus in 98 odd. Not just budget being one of them

[Dan318-is]

Im not saying BMW are king! Hell i have been under an e46 m3 all this week and it is GRIM! But the difference in pricing is for a reason and the lack of fords on the roads these days from back then tells the story itself in my opinion.

[bss325i]

Shame really as there are some really talented guys working at Ford. Think of all the contraints in their design briefs for all the departments when they released the focus in 98 odd. Not just budget being one of them

What the f*ck are you on Si, the focus cost ford serious £££ and it was cutting edge when released. Ford needed to come back after the damp squib that was the mk5/6 escort and they smashed it big time!

The mk4 golf was also released in 98 and in many ways was and inferior product.

Focuses are extremely reliable cars not to mention a hoot to drive and widely regarded as one of the best handling FWD cars.

You dont see rusty ones either and there are still loads of early S, T and V reg ones on the roads 11 years on!

[Dan318-is]

I have to agree mk4 golfs are horrible cars. The focus may be ok but what about other models?

My birds Ka, 5ish years old, 32k, has had 2 * front top mounts and 2 * rear top mounts twice in the last two years, the fuel cap area ahs horrendous rust, similar to the mk3 fiestas in the mid 1990s, how have they not sorted that out yet? The cvh iron block cylinder head still leaks oil consistently, the front brake hoses rub on full lock and have already been replaced, and the drivers headlight always blows a fuse. And before you mention it i have never done ANY work on it.

She hardly ever drives it, & it spends all its time on a private drive. I no its a disposable cheap run around but things like that are so unbelievable to still get wrong. The filler cap issue is the one that gets me; a structural issue from over ten years ago and it still fails over time in the same place and in the same way??!

I no your a beemer man at heart bazza just give in!!

[bss325i]

Ka's are at the very budget cars and are no better than Fiestas from the early 90's. The have an Endura E OHV engine with the iron head, not a CHV which uses an alloy head.

Modeos are also very good and generally reliable and are also capable of doing 200+k.

I was a brought up on Fords and that will allways be with me.

[Jon_Bmw]

Ka's are at the very budget cars and are no better than Fiestas from the early 90's. The have an Endura E OHV engine with the iron head, not a CHV which uses an alloy head.

Mondeos are also very good and generally reliable and are also capable of doing 200+k.

Isn't it basically the same engine, and probably cheaper to produce in iron? I hate the KA for that, at least MOST other manufactures produce multivalve-per-cylinder engines designed within the last 10 years.

Agreed on the mondeos though.

[Simon13]

They still had a ford type budget to work to and the engineers did well. It wasn't a put down

[bss325i]

Ka's are at the very budget cars and are no better than Fiestas from the early 90's. The have an Endura E OHV engine with the iron head, not a CHV which uses an alloy head.

Mondeos are also very good and generally reliable and are also capable of doing 200+k.

Isn't it basically the same engine, and probably cheaper to produce in iron? I hate the KA for that, at least MOST other manufactures produce multivalve-per-cylinder engines designed within the last 10 years.

Agreed on the mondeos though.

No the CHV is a totaly differnet engine

CVH is an 8v OHC with hydrolic lifters. Alloy head, iron block.

The Endura E is an 8v OHV pushrod engine with the cam in the block and both iron head and block

Its an incarnation of an engine that was originaly designed in the late fiftys, the Kent pre crossflow which debued in '59 in the Anglia

[bss325i]

They still had a ford type budget to work to and the engineers did well. It wasn't a put down

A ford budget is bigger than most!

[Jon_Bmw]

It was all going so well, then I read the last paragraph.

To be fair to the KA, it seems to go better than a 1.2 new shape corsa and a 1.2 punto. The rest is shit though.

I can't even remember what this argument/dicussion was about now, so i'll butt out.

[bss325i]

It has gone a bit OT.

[oguz327]

If I had 33k to spend on a car Id take the CSL every time

[bss325i]

Oz the zone phantom!

[oguz327]

Oz the zone phantom!

you aint seen me, right!

[Dan318-is]

33k would buy a nice noble!

[oguz327]

33k would buy a nice noble!

Hasnt that got a Mondeo engine?

[Dan318-is]

Hahaha the irony!

On second thoughts, maybe a csl!

[Bob_S]

33k?

I would be having a nice 911 thank you very much. bollocks to the rest I have seen the light!