Whats with the IS and sport?

[csl]

The point here was a sport replica can be built with considerable cost saving over purchasing a sport to begin with

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

[bss325i]

Well everyone has their own oppinion/view on this subject but in the society we live in today fakes are considered second best and people WILL pay the extra to have the real thing so i guess in some peoples eyes that makes me a badge snob although i would not consider myself to be one.

As for engineering and not artistic creativity...

I would consider my E30 to be art but beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc etc.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Well everyone has their own oppinion/view on this subject but in the society we live in today fakes are considered second best and people WILL pay the extra to have the real thing so i guess in some peoples eyes that makes me a badge snob although i would not consider myself to be one.

As for engineering and not artistic creativity...

I would consider my E30 to be art but beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc etc.

Fair play. I completely agree with your opening paragraph. Even if in this instance the fake is every bit as good as the original.

Though do you consider yourself a label whore???

[SHAKEELE30]

But im pretty sure you wont end up saving much money than if you went out and bought the actual sport...Parts aren't that cheap anyway unless you get fibreglass parts, but then you have to pay extra to get it worked on to make them fit properly.

But same as bss325, prefer the original parts than aftermarket...

[csl]

But im pretty sure you wont end up saving much money than if you went out and bought the actual sport...Parts aren't that cheap anyway unless you get fibreglass parts, but then you have to pay extra to get it worked on to make them fit properly.

But same as bss325, prefer the original parts than aftermarket...

Its not just the parts ,its the painting of the mtech kit/the cost of carrige etc etc and it all adds up for different things.

[bss325i]

Though do you consider yourself a label whore???

I like my designer ware's as much as the next person but im not above the likes of next and top man, but thats beside the point.

When it comes to cars i do tend to like the better stuff including parts and mods etc.

I guess thats part of the reason i like BMW's, not so much the oneupmanship, more the quality of the product.

[e30bmlover]

Belive me its not badge snobbery.

To put it simply is a fake peice of art worth the same as the real thing? No

Is there any badge snobbery in that? No

Its just one is fake and one is real.

lmao, of course its badge snobbery! ok, i think that if you went to bmw and dropped a load of coin on your facelift 325 and had them fit all of the sports parts they would call your 325 a sport and maybe even change the records of the car to reflect the work done.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??


The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

[e30bmlover]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??


The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

once again you hit the nail on the head..... but wait dont leave yet!!!!

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Waiting......

[bss325i]

Its just one is fake and one is real.

lmao, of course its badge snobbery!

Read my previous posts.

[e30bmlover]

Its just one is fake and one is real.

lmao, of course its badge snobbery!

Read my previous posts.

i have.

[bss325i]

and maybe even change the records of the car to reflect the work done.

They would not change the record to say it was now a sport. Chasis number dictates what it is.

[bss325i]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??


The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

once again you hit the nail on the head..... but wait dont leave yet!!!!

Hit the nail on the head? What that it would cost the same amount to build a sport rep as to buy one?
The original argument was why the big diference in value when rosco has just clearly proved it would cost the same.

[e30bmlover]

ok then, so when i did my engine swap and i went to bmw for all my parts, i asked them if it would be possible for bmw to accept it as a 2.5, his words were, it can be done but its a big headache, you have to get bmw gb to authorise it.

[Ziggy]

You've got to paint the kit & fit everything on top of those prices. Even if you're doing it yourself, surely nobody calls changing a gearbox 'fun', so you've got to put a value on your time...

[e30bmlover]

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??


The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

once again you hit the nail on the head..... but wait dont leave yet!!!!

Hit the nail on the head? What that it would cost the same amount to build a sport rep as to buy one?
The original argument was why the big diference in value when rosco has just clearly proved it would cost the same.

ok so we have established that a sport should be worth 3k........ so whats with the 6k dreamers?

[csl]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??


The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

LOL!

Like i say thou,theres painting of kit (sods law you will end up with wrong colour!) carrige of bits etc...
Can you get a really nice (rustfree)basic 325i for £1200?


Yes some Sports are very expensive(and we all know of the 15k one),but just for a very nice sport i would reckon £3500-£4500.

[Chris-W]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250
Kit= £400?
Gearbox= £300?
Mtech2 wheel= £70
Gear knob= £25
Headlining= £50??
Seats= £300??
Susp= £400??

The question mark stuff is speculative, please feel free to edit. Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model, thats £1795 of mods is a total of £2995.

So in truth, not far away from the cost of an average sport......

I'll get my coat....

Any labour costs in there at all?

There is also the upside that, most often, a good sport will have been very well looked after for the last 15+ years.

[bss325i]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??

Painting body kit= £300

Body kit clips= £50

15" bbs wheels with tyres= £250

Labour to fit all this if your no good with a spanner= alot!

And after all that, it will always be a fake.

[pacerpete]

ok then, so when i did my engine swap and i went to bmw for all my parts, i asked them if it would be possible for bmw to accept it as a 2.5, his words were, it can be done but its a big headache, you have to get bmw gb to authorise it.

Sorry mate but your car will always be a 320, whatever engine you fit. There is nothing BMW or you can do about it. You can change the engine, the gearbox, the diff, the suspension, the brakes but you can't change what it started life as and that is what to a large extent dictates the value.
Which begs the obvious question, why didn't you buy a 325 ?

[bss325i]

ok so we have established that a sport should be worth 3k........ so whats with the 6k dreamers?

3k for something with over 150000 miles and in need of tlc

4.5k for something tidy and around 100000 miles

My 45000 mile MINT sport is worth 6k all day long and im no dreamer.

WLN sell minters with higher milage than mine for 7k

and the bottom line is people will pay the money.

As you have said in a previous post, you can get an M3 for 6k but it will be a dog with plenty of miles. To get an M3 in the equivilant condition of my sport you will be paying 10k for the privilage.

[e30bmlover]

ok then, so when i did my engine swap and i went to bmw for all my parts, i asked them if it would be possible for bmw to accept it as a 2.5, his words were, it can be done but its a big headache, you have to get bmw gb to authorise it.

Sorry mate but your car will always be a 320, whatever engine you fit. There is nothing BMW or you can do about it. You can change the engine, the gearbox, the diff, the suspension, the brakes but you can't change what it started life as and that is what to a large extent dictates the value.
Which begs the obvious question, why didn't you buy a 325 ?

im only going on what the fella said to me... why didnt i buy one?? better the devil you do than the devil you dont.... i can guarentee that my 325 engine is a good one, if i was to buy a 325 it would be like a mine field, buy it, re bush it, track rod ends, new rack if it needed it, you get the picture, my 320 has had all of the above done plus a freshly rebuilt 2.5 in it.

[e30cbe]

is there right and wrong in a subjective world ?! great debate tho - cant decide between the m3 revs and noise and the 6pot torque and growl - wont stop dreaming of the day i can have both !!!! and a 3.5l e30 and a convertible and ...............

[e30bmlover]

ok so we have established that a sport should be worth 3k........ so whats with the 6k dreamers?

3k for something with over 150000 miles and in need of tlc

4.5k for something tidy and around 100000 miles

My 45000 mile MINT sport is worth 6k all day long and im no dreamer.

WLN sell minters with higher milage than mine for 7k

and the bottom line is people will pay the money.

As you have said in a previous post, you can get an M3 for 6k but it will be a dog with plenty of miles. To get an M3 in the equivilant condition of my sport you will be paying 10k for the privilage.

so you have a low milage 325??? if someone is willing to give you 6k for it then so be it. i would not be parting with anymore than 3.5k, if i had 6k to blow it wouldnt be on a m20!

[oguz327]

These threads crack me up!

[csl]

I'm not totaly sold on that one yet!

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??

Painting body kit= £300

Body kit clips= £50

15" bbs wheels with tyres= £250

Labour to fit all this if your no good with a spanner= alot!

And after all that, it will always be a fake.

To be fair the "doner"may already have some of the Sport features,you will be lucky thou!

Like you say thou ,it will always be considered a fake and will have a resale value below that of a genuine Sport and having forked out money to a similar tune as a Sport would cost anyway,you could be onto a loser.But like i say in my first post some people will "enjoy" the work .

[bmwe30mtech]

Hmm lets guestimate...

LSD= £250

Kit= £400?

Gearbox= £300?

Mtech2 wheel= £70

Gear knob= £25

Headlining= £50??

Seats= £300??

Susp= £400??

Painting body kit= £300

Body kit clips= £50

15" bbs wheels with tyres= £250

Labour to fit all this if your no good with a spanner= alot!

And after all that, it will always be a fake.

To be fair the "doner"may already have some of the Sport features,you will be lucky thou!

Like you say thou ,it will always be considered a fake and will have a resale value below that of a genuine Sport and having forked out money to a similar tune as a Sport would cost anyway,you could be onto a loser.But like i say in my first post some people will "enjoy" the work .

Add on maplight mirror, opening rear windows, check control, battery in boot, blah balh

Wate of time making a fake sport, i had good fun making my old one though. Ended up costing 3.5k! So....just buy a sport if you want one.

[bss325i]

i would not be parting with anymore than 3.5k, if i had 6k to blow it wouldnt be on a m20!

Thats just you! Doesn't mean the rest of the market wont!

I wouldn't buy a 320i, have a 2.5 engine refurbished the put it in place.
I would just buy a 325i to start with and so what i you know your car.
You didn't to begin with.

[e30bmlover]

im getting married, so i made a compramise. my reasons are justafied...... and no, its not about the money!

[pacerpete]

So e30bmlover how much did you actually spend putting a 325 lump in your 320 ? i seem to recall tales of greedy unreliable mechanics and lots of expensive trips to tjhe stealers ?

[e30bmlover]

over a 1k easy..... but it has been done properly. genuine parts none the less....

[oguz327]

over a 1k easy..... but it has been done properly. genuine parts none the less....

you could have had a BK 2.7 for that money

[bss325i]

Say £1200 for a tidy e30 base model

What about the cost of your 320i?

[csl]

WLN sell minters with higher milage than mine for 7k

and the bottom line is people will pay the money.

Oh yes,people will and DO pay good money for good Sports,likewise good e30s of other types to.

This can be viewed as good news for us on this forum to!