Front Fog Lights. "WHAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM ???"

[arcdef]

[johnl320]

People that put their main beam back on just before they have gone past you, momentarily blinding you but not giving you enough time to react with your lights

Or rear fogs on cos its raining.

Gonna punch the wife now to help me calm down.

john

[arcdef]

Gonna punch the wife now to help me calm down.

john

amen

[Jesus325iTouring]

Gonna punch the wife now to help me calm down.

john

F ucking PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!

[blingsta]

sorry for any trouble it just winds me up when people accuse others of being racist at every opportunity they can, LIFE'S TOO SHORT at the end of the day

[Morat]

Ever said something and then wished you hadn't ? !

Haha, I don't think this is personal to you. You were just the spark that hit the bonfire

I am a reformed Fog light criminal. The dips on my car were so poor I pretty much had to use them at night to be safe. I realised this had to stop when a kid on a bike started waving franticly at me and I stopped to see what was wrong. It turned out it was a copper on a bike and he started whining at me about my fog lights.

To save the shame of being told off by 12 year old pedal pushers I started looking at HIDS and once I took the plunge I never looked back. Get HIDS, turn the fogs off, hassles over.

[ian332isport]

What I can't understand is that cars with Xenon lights all have height sensors on both front and rear axles, but as the headlights are ahead of both, the effect of the sensors is re-active, the headlights go up and down as the sensor on the rear axle is activated, but by then the front of the car is stable. Hence the xenon equipped cars shining like a laser beam into the back of your skull!

I don't believe the headlamp aim is automatically adjusted when going over bumps. The adjustment only happens one one or both axles is loaded for a period of time (carrying luggage or fat birds ). I think they need to see a continuous change for more than 10 seconds in order to make any adjustments.

That doesn't alter the fact that most of them seem to be adjusted wrong in the first place

Ian.

[bazza93]

looks like a whole can of worms has been opened in this thread

[Brianmoooore]

Most badly adjusted dipped beams are on newish cars that are yet to see a MOT inspector in my experience.
It would be interesting to see the statistics relating to headlamp aim of cars undergoing their first MOT!

[bazza93]

Most badly adjusted dipped beams are on newish cars that are yet to see a MOT inspector in my experience.
It would be interesting to see the statistics relating to headlamp aim of cars undergoing their first MOT!

them chelsea tractors are the worst !

[Morat]

True, I borrowed the boss's Discovery and the lights were absolutely amazing - but too high.
They did give the impression of constantly adjusting to the road, though...

[bss325i]

Most front fog lights have adjustment as well so could be adjusted so no to dazel oncoming trafic. I use my fogs alot of the time for the same reason Morat has said, the diped beam isn't very effective. I've never had anyone flash me for using fogs. I also use my main beam whenever on poorly lit roads at night but allways switch to dipped at the first sign of approaching traffic. Its safer to have the road in front as lit up as much as possible for the obvious safety reasons and yes my eyesight is fine and i dont wear glasses!
All of my lights that have adjustment are set correctly with the appropriate equipment.

I couldn't give a F*ck if people think its 'council' or 'chav'. They are used for a reason as stated above not for a style statement.

[SPADGE]

I couldn't give a monkey's if people want to look like knobs driving around with their front fogs/driving lights on.
Rear fogs on the other hand when its not necassary really do make me see red in more ways than one

[bss325i]

I couldn't give a monkey's if people want to look like knobs driving around with their front fogs/driving lights on.
Rear fogs on the other hand when its not necassary really do make me see red in more ways than one

Me to along with other things mentioned by others in this thread.

[oldroydsr4]

I couldn't give a damn either.

I don't drive with my fog lights on and i don't care if others do, personally i don't find them particularly bright.

I think we should all chill slightly, surely everyones really not this bothered about something so trivial?

[Rosc0PColtrane]

[lance1a]

I find that comment homophobic..........sweetie,

Handbags at dawn!

[toddy]

I never understood having fog lights on when it wasn't foggy as all the ones I've ever had did nothing to help you see where you was going, the only time I thought having lights in the bumper was useful was on my 205 as it had driving lights which came on with the main beam.

If you think people having fogs on is bad I live in a village with no street lights and my neighbours choice of lights at night is blue side lights and fogs if your lucky, usually he has no lights on at all even if a car comes the other way or is following him he doesn't switch them on. After I nearly pulled out in front of him one night because I couldn't see him coming I phoned the police and despite me telling them he was driving down the road with no lights on at exactly the same time every night so he would be easy to catch and that he nearly caused an accident they didn't do anything about it.

[Gortour]

Nathan, are you upsetting Photobucket as WELL as the Mods on here???

[d6dph]

Guys, Absolutely no room for racism on this board. Let's not bring it into any more threads please.


Oh and Fogs are gayer than right said fred in the soap-dropped-in-the-shower fiasco

[bss325i]

I never understood having fog lights on when it wasn't foggy as all the ones I've ever had did nothing to help you see where you was going, the only time I thought having lights in the bumper was useful was on my 205 as it had driving lights which came on with the main beam.

If you think people having fogs on is bad I live in a village with no street lights and my neighbours choice of lights at night is blue side lights and fogs if your lucky, usually he has no lights on at all even if a car comes the other way or is following him he doesn't switch them on. After I nearly pulled out in front of him one night because I couldn't see him coming I phoned the police and despite me telling them he was driving down the road with no lights on at exactly the same time every night so he would be easy to catch and that he nearly caused an accident they didn't do anything about it.

Thats just plain stupid not having any lights on!

[e36_koz]

you know what i have just been reading this thread and i know this will sound similar to what blingsta said but i am turkish and i found what was said very offensive to.

grantk10:- there was no need at all to say that. i think that was nothing to do with this fog light thread

arcdef:- its not about coloured people bringing race into anything. we are not coloured people. it wouldnt of been nice if some one was to say some thing about "english"people. it not playing the race card it deffending yourself about some thing that was said by someone which was wrong.

i didnt mean to have a go at anyone or anything but i think that the comment that was made by grantk10 was unfair

[jcjdavis1]

you know what i have just been reading this thread and i know this will sound similar to what blingsta said but i am turkish and i found what was said very offensive to.

grantk10:- there was no need at all to say that. i think that was nothing to do with this fog light thread

arcdef:- its not about coloured people bringing race into anything. we are not coloured people. it wouldnt of been nice if some one was to say some thing about "english"people. it not playing the race card it deffending yourself about some thing that was said by someone which was wrong.

i didnt mean to have a go at anyone or anything but i think that the comment that was made by grantk10 was unfair

Hi I have lost the thread(pun) here.What did he say that was unfair?

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Guys, Absolutely no room for racism on this board. Let's not bring it into any more threads please.


Oh and Fogs are gayer than right said fred in the soap-dropped-in-the-shower fiasco

Racism is off the cards but homophobic quips are fair game

Fog or no fog, front fogs do feck all for vision. My headlights need adjusting, so I tried the fogs down a lane and it does absolutely nothing.

E30 headlights are not great, so you can crank them up high without blinding people. Adjust your headlights rather than using w@nker lights

[bss325i]

Guys, Absolutely no room for racism on this board. Let's not bring it into any more threads please.


Oh and Fogs are gayer than right said fred in the soap-dropped-in-the-shower fiasco

Racism is off the cards but homophobic quips are fair game

Fog or no fog, front fogs do feck all for vision. My headlights need adjusting, so I tried the fogs down a lane and it does absolutely nothing.

E30 headlights are not great, so you can crank them up high without blinding people. Adjust your headlights rather than using ****** lights

As i said in a previous post my headlights AND my fog lights are adjuststed properly. My foglights DO improve road surface vision at night which is a good thing as im not really fond of driving though pot holes and craters on our shity, poorly maintained roads and risk buckling an expensive alloy! My foglights do not dazzel other road users because they are adjusted properly! People need to look at other aspects of their own cars before making homophobic comments about the use of a pair of lamps.

[StuBeeDoo]

Most badly adjusted dipped beams are on newish cars that are yet to see a MOT inspector in my experience.
It would be interesting to see the statistics relating to headlamp aim of cars undergoing their first MOT!

Most of the dealerships I've worked in over the years have checked headlamp aim as part of PDI.

Foglights?????
Ban the bloody things altogether! They are next to no use at all unless it is actually dense fog. How often do we get fog thick enough for foglights to be of use? Probably only two or three days a year at the most.
Drivers who use them when it isn't necessary boil my p155 too, but I'm not going to get involved in the name-calling.

[bss325i]

My foglights DO improve road surface vision at night which is a good thing as im not really fond of driving though pot holes and craters on our shity, poorly maintained roads and risk buckling an expensive alloy! My foglights do not dazzel other road users because they are adjusted properly!

How many times do i have to say it.

[Brianmoooore]

Most badly adjusted dipped beams are on newish cars that are yet to see a MOT inspector in my experience.
It would be interesting to see the statistics relating to headlamp aim of cars undergoing their first MOT!

Most of the dealerships I've worked in over the years have checked headlamp aim as part of PDI.

But do they actually do anything about it when they've checked?

[grantfk10]

grantk10:- there was no need at all to say that. i think that was nothing to do with this fog light thread

Of course this was to do with the fog light thread! Did you even watch the video? I was merely pointing out that there were similarities between the numbers of drivers with their fog-lamps on during daylight/clear conditions.
I certainly an NOT racist!!!

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Guys, Absolutely no room for racism on this board. Let's not bring it into any more threads please.


Oh and Fogs are gayer than right said fred in the soap-dropped-in-the-shower fiasco

Racism is off the cards but homophobic quips are fair game

Fog or no fog, front fogs do feck all for vision. My headlights need adjusting, so I tried the fogs down a lane and it does absolutely nothing.

E30 headlights are not great, so you can crank them up high without blinding people. Adjust your headlights rather than using ****** lights

As i said in a previous post my headlights AND my fog lights are adjuststed properly. My foglights DO improve road surface vision at night which is a good thing as im not really fond of driving though pot holes and craters on our shity, poorly maintained roads and risk buckling an expensive alloy! My foglights do not dazzel other road users because they are adjusted properly! People need to look at other aspects of their own cars before making homophobic comments about the use of a pair of lamps.

Illegal use of a pair of lamps...

Fog is moisture. When regular headlights hit the moisture, it reflects, actually reducing visibility for drivers. Fog lights are mounted on a lower point to reduce the reflection from the water, an attempt to light below the fog. If the fog is thick enough for this to be the case, your travelling speed should be greatly reduced as the fog not only reduces vision, but the limited range of the fog lights also prevents the driver from seeing far enough down the road to safely travel at speeds.

As far as pot holes are concerned, fog lights fail to help on two counts. One, their limited range will not light up far enough down the road to make them effective while driving at speed. If you're using them to light up pot holes, the pot hole will be on you and you're not looking far enough down the road for potential dangers.

Secondly, their lower mounting point will light over the pot hole. Dipped beam with a greater angle will make the pot hole more visible by lightingg into it instead of over it; and also make you aware of the pot hole long before a fog light will, through greater range of beam.

[bss325i]

Well it works for me.

I have no more to say on this subject.

[StuBeeDoo]

Most badly adjusted dipped beams are on newish cars that are yet to see a MOT inspector in my experience.
It would be interesting to see the statistics relating to headlamp aim of cars undergoing their first MOT!

Most of the dealerships I've worked in over the years have checked headlamp aim as part of PDI.

But do they actually do anything about it when they've checked?

Sorry, I should have put "checked and adjusted as necessary".
AFAIK, it was on Ford's PDI check-sheet. Mind, it's 6 years since I worked in a Ford dealership.
I suppose just because one dealership actually does do it, it doesn't mean others are so thorough.

[nickso]

Well it works for me.

I have no more to say on this subject.

well it might for you but it doesnt for people coming the other way. its just downright bad driving and selfishness.

my issue isnt the brightness of fogs on the own, as most of them are not really any brighter than headlights. but you are effectively doubling your light output and making it harder for me to see the road ahead on my side. i consider my night vision to be fairly good but its pretty much a case of aim left of your offside lights to get past on a dark country road. in the wet its even worse reflected off the road.

i usually put my full beam on just to piss the foglighters off, if i cant see why should you

[murran]

well i drive with my fogs on in the dark from time to time usually on unlit roads. i dont care bout people flashing me either.... they can go get a life. other peoples fog lights dont dazzle me so ergo mine dont dazzle you? oh sorry my eyes are different than other peoples....... you just enjoy moaning? i pay my tax and ins. and ill drive with what ever lights on i feel comfortable with.... on.
all you people with hids....... its you that are dazzling us!!!!!!! ill make it simple..... dip beam head lamp bulbs are 55/60 watt, that wattage is supposed to be a light output limit for dipped beam to stop lights from dazzling other drivers...... yes?
a hid bulb is two/three times brighter/intence. there for same light output as say 140 watt bulb......too bright einsteins!!!!
get the damn things out and and take them back to halfrauds along with your blue washer jets and your ripspeed gearknob!!!!

my rant over.

[nickso]

all you people with hids....... its you that are dazzling us!!!!!!! ill make it simple..... dip beam head lamp bulbs are 55/60 watt, that wattage is supposed to be a light output limit for dipped beam to stop lights from dazzling other drivers...... yes?
a hid bulb is two/three times brighter/intence. there for same light output as say 140 watt bulb......too bright einsteins!!!!
get the damn things out and and take them back to halfrauds along with your blue washer jets and your ripspeed gearknob!!!!

my rant over.

really einstein?

is that why in almost a year ive never been flashed by an oncoming car when ive had my hids on? headlamps have a cut out to avoid dazzle as much as possible to the oncoming driver, fogs dont.