Is the E30 scene lacking in imagination?

[miniblob]

Think it's all been said really!!!

Majority of the VW scene follows the 'Euro/VAG' trend in my eyes!!!!

Certainly don't think we're lacking imagination, but possibly lacking funds and support!!!

Reading this makes me wanna build a 'groundbreaking' E30!!!!!
I'm certainly not short of ideas - just trying to build up some cash and decide exactly what to do to which car!!!!!

Personally, i don't normally follow trends - i do what i want to do!!! I like to be different & stand out from the crowd a little!!!!

[1an]

Think it's all been said really!!!

Majority of the VW scene follows the 'Euro/VAG' trend in my eyes!!!!

Certainly don't think we're lacking imagination, but possibly lacking funds and support!!!

Reading this makes me wanna build a 'groundbreaking' E30!!!!!
I'm certainly not short of ideas - just trying to build up some cash and decide exactly what to do to which car!!!!!

Personally, i don't normally follow trends - i do what i want to do!!! I like to be different & stand out from the crowd a little!!!!

is that why your driving abou with your leman stickers on (or have you taken them off now)

[miniblob]

Nope, stickers still on!!!! Still haven't washed the car since france!!!!!

Also forgot to mention, that i also feel a lot of the E30's are 'used' a lot more than the 'showy' VDubs!!!

[nickso]

hardly much of a comparison is it? vw to bmw. completely different cars mostly modded for different reasons.

most of the cars on here are probably daily drivers, track cars or "untouchables" like alpinas and hartges. we dont have a massive show scene like the vw lot. most of our cars look similar because we have to use them and stupid wheels and immaculate paint arent going to last long on the commute.

bootyman, dips etc have their place and create fantastic show cars, fair play to them, thats what they want to do. most of us dont and so dont feel the need to create show cars that may be impractical.

ive had a couple of golfs and the internet forum i was on had plenty of people moaning about how stale the vw scene had become.....the grass isnt greener on that side it would seem.

i dont see anything wrong with the fairly varied but ultimately formulaic stock of cars the zone has.

the above could of course be my sour grapes due to me owning a tatty track car lol

[dips346]

Think it's all been said really!!!

Majority of the VW scene follows the 'Euro/VAG' trend in my eyes!!!!

Certainly don't think we're lacking imagination, but possibly lacking funds and support!!!

Reading this makes me wanna build a 'groundbreaking' E30!!!!!
I'm certainly not short of ideas - just trying to build up some cash and decide exactly what to do to which car!!!!!

Personally, i don't normally follow trends - i do what i want to do!!! I like to be different & stand out from the crowd a little!!!!

best i heard ,spot on

[BadDave]

but bmw owners are slightly sensible and think things through before going ahead with their crazy ideas.

Dunno about that.

These crazy ideas popped into my head after reading certain issues of PPC.
Bike throttle bodies for one thing
And a Certain Zone contributer,that goes by the username of Toby Unna planted the turbocharging seed in the back of my brain,after starting to read about it in the mag and on here

One Garrett T4 purchase later and its"Oh shit,what have i done"
Just had to go and get all the necessary bits together to complete the conversion(almost there now).

As others have already stated, it's all down to taste,money,time,is the car a daily driver or weekend toy etc etc.

Sandy's (bigpimpin) Evo powered tourer,Rithie's 335i Sport,Fuzzy's Cosworth powered Tourer(deceased-R.I.P),Bootymans Cabby'sAand Dips's/Custom Cars creations (Sorry for all the others i've failed to mention)are all equal to some that the VW scene churn out.Certain ones are better IMO

[dips346]

bootyman, dips etc have their place and create fantastic show cars, fair play to them, thats what they want to do. most of us dont and so dont feel the need to create show cars that may be impractical.

l

i use and abuse my cars and i dont call any of them show cars as they even get left on the road and not parked up in a heated garage

[pacerpete]

I am happy with my e30s as they are. I don't need to waste loads of shekels making my car look like a sad refugee from warsaw/karachi, i don't need to have sports wear clad council types telling me that my ride is sick or phat etc. Cosmetic modding is not about "expressing ones individuality" it is a peacock like display to other council types "look at me ", " look at me " . Yes we are all looking, and most of us are in stitches !

[12345kevin]

Nope, stickers still on!!!! Still haven't washed the car since france!!!!!

Also forgot to mention, that i also feel a lot of the E30's are 'used' a lot more than the 'showy' VDubs!!!

The underside of mine has still got half the field we camped in attached to it !

[Andyboy]

The E30 scene in the UK is a bit stale. In Germany though there have been some incredible cars over the last 20 years. A V12 E30 was done in the early '90's, can't think who it was now.

[papercutout]

Personally I quite like jap and bosozoku...

But then I'm heavily influenced by Retro Rides, and they are pretty open to ANYTHING (I mean, who'd ever want an Austin Allegro?)...


And yes, I vote that the E30 community doesn't go outside the box enough. That E30 cabrio shell on a land rover chassis was the most imaginative thing I've seen recently!

I'd love (call me mad) to see an E30 done like this:

[nickso]

bootyman, dips etc have their place and create fantastic show cars, fair play to them, thats what they want to do. most of us dont and so dont feel the need to create show cars that may be impractical.

l

i use and abuse my cars and i dont call any of them show cars as they even get left on the road and not parked up in a heated garage

dips, no offence intended, i was really using you as an example of someone who goes that little bit further with your cars than most.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Still can't believe we're comparing an entire car manufacturer to the production run of one model from a time span of approx 10 years...

Modding (to modify) means to improve on the original design. Strapping large lumps of plastic and fibreglass to a 20 year old 3 box design is going to not only look stupid, but make the car heavier and more impractical. Not improving.

Very few get it right, cosmetically, dips and booty have. I love what they do. It's quality work. Certainly a financial money pit. OK dips gets his business whored around as a result of displaying his undoubted talents, but booty has sunk big dollar into his cars. They look fooking great, but how may of us are happy spending e46/e92 money on a e30?

In all honesty, how much more can you think outside the box. The Vdub boys don't think outside the box anymore than the e30 scene. They follow their trends...

Perhaps we actually like how our cars look? There's plenty of e30's around runnning lairy engines, brake work, suspension work, etc. Updating 20 year old technology for something slightly better, to me, is modifying.

I like to drive my cars. Not park them in a car park and jizz over lambo doors, shopping lists or meccano spoilers.

Forget the VW boys, they do have some ok cars to base their 'creations' on. Individual? Forget it. Following a crowd armed with filler and a glue gun? Definately.

If you're that concerned your car is not modded enough, go buy a Honda Civic, get a copy of The Last and the Furious and w@nk away.

For once, Pacerpetes tongue in cheek humour has about hit the nail on the head.

[bootyman]

For once, Pacerpetes tongue in cheek .

Whos cheek is his tongue in in

I'm still trying to decide if i'm stupid, brave, mad, or courageous for sinking the amount i have into my cars. I realise not everyone is in a fortunate position like i am, but i dont think the money aspect is what this is about. You can do plenty of mods on a car without breaking the Bank. At the end of the day we can talk about this until the cows come home, but the truth is, we all like different things. Some like a standard car and some of us like out wide kits and big wheels. I suggest we all just get on with our own business and stop worrying about what the other side is doing!

[Rosc0PColtrane]

For once, Pacerpetes tongue in cheek .

Whos cheek is his tongue in in

I'm still trying to decide if i'm stupid, brave, mad, or courageous for sinking the amount i have into my cars. I realise not everyone is in a fortunate position like i am, but i dont think the money aspect is what this is about. You can do plenty of mods on a car without breaking the Bank. At the end of the day we can talk about this until the cows come home, but the truth is, we all like different things. Some like a standard car and some of us like out wide kits and big wheels. I suggest we all just get on with our own business and stop worrying about what the other side is doing!

Max's cheeks????

[dips346]

bootyman, dips etc have their place and create fantastic show cars, fair play to them, thats what they want to do. most of us dont and so dont feel the need to create show cars that may be impractical.

l

i use and abuse my cars and i dont call any of them show cars as they even get left on the road and not parked up in a heated garage

dips, no offence intended, i was really using you as an example of someone who goes that little bit further with your cars than most.

none taken at all mate

[Patm3]

I have two VW garages in my area which consist of the following:

Mk1 VW Golf with Audi TT Engine
Supercharged Golf Rally
Turbo charged Golf Rally
1.8 Turbo Charged Mk1 Golf
Twin Super Charged Mk2 Golf
G40 Supercharged Polo

and the list goes on, they are always laughing at the BMW scene and saying to me when i visit there garages, this is how its done, you should get some of your BMW boys, and we go up to Santa Pod, and show you BM boys how things are done.

Even though its a lot of humour and i have known them for years, i could only think of a handful of cars that could stand up to these beasts they drive, if i was stupid enough to take there talk seriously (to old, boy racing days are over). And all there cars are fully modded, from engine, paint, ICE, etc, where as most of the BM owners i know omiting a few have half done chariots.

I think it comes down to the cost, you pick up a MK1 golf and say for £10k, you have a mad engine with 280+ bhp, respray, deep dish rims, retrimmed interior etc. In the BMW scene 10k if your lucky will get you a reliable turbo conversion on your engine and maybe a second hand interior.

When i go to BMW shows compared to others, i almost get bored immediately as there is not much imagination and creativeness that goes into our cars, but at the prices some of these garages charge, it is a very hard game to get into and spend big money on 20 year old chariots.

For those who can and are in the making, i think as an E30 community, we should salute those who try to take the E30 that two steps forward and get off our high horse, as the more the E30 modding scene grows hopefully the cheaper and more reliable it should cost to get things done.

Keep up the good work: Dips, Bootyman, Ant, Sal, Blingsta, Fuzzy, miniblob etc,

[Rosc0PColtrane]

I have two VW garages in my area which consist of the following:

Mk1 VW Golf with Audi TT Engine
Supercharged Golf Rally
Turbo charged Golf Rally
1.8 Turbo Charged Mk1 Golf
Twin Super Charged Mk2 Golf
G40 Supercharged Polo

and the list goes on, they are always laughing at the BMW scene and saying to me when i visit there garages, this is how its done, you should get some of your BMW boys, and we go up to Santa Pod, and show you BM boys how things are done.

Even though its a lot of humour and i have known them for years, i could only think of a handful of cars that could stand up to these beasts they drive, if i was stupid enough to take there talk seriously (to old, boy racing days are over). And all there cars are fully modded, from engine, paint, ICE, etc, where as most of the BM owners i know omiting a few have half done chariots.

I think it comes down to the cost, you pick up a MK1 golf and say for £10k, you have a mad engine with 280+ bhp, respray, deep dish rims, retrimmed interior etc. In the BMW scene 10k if your lucky will get you a reliable turbo conversion on your engine and maybe a second hand interior.

When i go to BMW shows compared to others, i almost get bored immediately as there is not much imagination and creativeness that goes into our cars, but at the prices some of these garages charge, it is a very hard game to get into and spend big money on 20 year old chariots.

For those who can and are in the making, i think as an E30 community, we should salute those who try to take the E30 that two steps forward and get off our high horse, as the more the E30 modding scene grows hopefully the cheaper and more reliable it should cost to get things done.

Keep up the good work: Dips, Bootyman, Ant, Sal, Blingsta, Fuzzy, miniblob etc,

Great post Pat, though my concernis that as the numbers of available e30's to mod drops, so will demand and desire to provide effective tuning solutions.

To rehash an earlier point, e30's are but a single model, with a production run of about 10 years. VW as a range is fairly interchangeable, possibly to save money on production. Therefore tuning parts will be more readily available and cheaper, due to the many more applications they can be used for.

Hat's off to anyone how sinks any level of cash into these old turds!!

[Patm3]

I have two VW garages in my area which consist of the following:

Mk1 VW Golf with Audi TT Engine
Supercharged Golf Rally
Turbo charged Golf Rally
1.8 Turbo Charged Mk1 Golf
Twin Super Charged Mk2 Golf
G40 Supercharged Polo

and the list goes on, they are always laughing at the BMW scene and saying to me when i visit there garages, this is how its done, you should get some of your BMW boys, and we go up to Santa Pod, and show you BM boys how things are done.

Even though its a lot of humour and i have known them for years, i could only think of a handful of cars that could stand up to these beasts they drive, if i was stupid enough to take there talk seriously (to old, boy racing days are over). And all there cars are fully modded, from engine, paint, ICE, etc, where as most of the BM owners i know omiting a few have half done chariots.

I think it comes down to the cost, you pick up a MK1 golf and say for £10k, you have a mad engine with 280+ bhp, respray, deep dish rims, retrimmed interior etc. In the BMW scene 10k if your lucky will get you a reliable turbo conversion on your engine and maybe a second hand interior.

When i go to BMW shows compared to others, i almost get bored immediately as there is not much imagination and creativeness that goes into our cars, but at the prices some of these garages charge, it is a very hard game to get into and spend big money on 20 year old chariots.

For those who can and are in the making, i think as an E30 community, we should salute those who try to take the E30 that two steps forward and get off our high horse, as the more the E30 modding scene grows hopefully the cheaper and more reliable it should cost to get things done.

Keep up the good work: Dips, Bootyman, Ant, Sal, Blingsta, Fuzzy, miniblob etc,

Great post Pat, though my concernis that as the numbers of available e30's to mod drops, so will demand and desire to provide effective tuning solutions.

To rehash an earlier point, e30's are but a single model, with a production run of about 10 years. VW as a range is fairly interchangeable, possibly to save money on production. Therefore tuning parts will be more readily available and cheaper, due to the many more applications they can be used for.
Hat's off to anyone how sinks any level of cash into these old turds!!

Agreed, I have seen brand new VW Golfs, with mods like wheels, bodykits etc, no way will you see anyone abusing a brand new M3, not that they dont wont to, it wil just cost an arm and a leg and bring on the slating lol.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

I think the fact there's about 20 years worth of models also gives the illusion of diversity. You couldn't apply the same style of cosmetic mods to a mk1 golf as a mkV, differnet shape etc.

[Aaron191]

I used to love pullin up alongside modded vw's saxo's etc in my wanky lookin old rwd starlet then p?ssing it away from them, the look on there faces!!!! My 325 is much the same rough round the edges but i love it fo what it is!!

[toby]

I think some makes of car respond better to modifications, for example, as was said, VW, but the rest like Ford, Vauxhall, Peugeuot, Citroen etc can be improved upon and have, in certain cases, a range of interchangable engines and drive trains for dramatic and easy modifications (at least that's what some Vauxhall modders have said).

BMW is a difficult one to mod as it has such a strong image to begin with. The other makes stand out more clearly as an improved and more interesting vehicle when modified well as they are so plain to begin with. These seem more like basic cars that have been upgraded. So many people get it wrong modifying (deviating from what exist in the way of harmonious lines) and when it goes wrong on a vehicle with an image like BMW it is understandable that it seems like a decent but ruined car.

I don't think the BMW modifying scene is so unimaginative (there's rubbish to suit everyone's taste) but BMWs tend to look like they need less to be visually appealing when modified. However, the E36 can wear lots of mods as it is a fairly plain looking car as standard as some of the other models.

[fuzzy]

thanks to those that consider my hybrid/b4stardisation projects as worthy creations. everyone likes compliments no matter what they say but critisism shouldnt be taken so personally like some do
no scene is individual as there is only so much you can do to any car and it usually comes down to the same big wheels,big exhaust and bodykit combo but simply in a different style that compliments that chosen marque.
not everyone has the cash needed for big projects and can only mod to their limits. that shouldnt be seen as a reason to mock.
other marques also have their tried and tested routes that seem to be strictly adhered to with any dissenters also coming in for the usual car forum 'banter'
in tuning nothing ive seen is as strictly followed as the ford cosworth scene with the set in stone 'stages' of tuning and anything differing from that is usually slated as rubbish.
people have often said to me "why bother spending many thousands modifying an old car when i could have bought a top of the range car for the same /less money" for that i can only say in my defence that its just a hobby to keep me out of trouble and even if i could afford a new porsche for example it wouldnt be long until i was modifying it to my style/needs.
every car forum has the usual standard buftys v modifiers debates that will rage on forever and theres nothing more amusing than enraging the originality bufties

[o22ie]

i spent quite a few quid on some gold wheels to put on my calibra (which is a bronze colour) and i couldnt believe the stick i got from the majority of people from the forum i was on, it was if i had desecrated a holy shrine...
at the end of the day its our car, to do with what we like...
opinions are good and in the main appreciated as to help with further things, pure slagging off of a persons choice to do what they like are usually derived from the small minded minority and should be ignored

[spook]

mate i stuck some gold compomotives on a rover p6 i had, went to an owners club show and no one spoke to me , best thing i did to that car, proper bunch of old farts they were
monza red with a black vinyl roof, v8, loved it

[spook]

and i love seeing modified e30s, hats off to ya guys, the sooner i get some deep dish rims the better

[jbh]

mate i stuck some gold compomotives on a rover p6 i had, went to an owners club show and no one spoke to me , best thing i did to that car, proper bunch of old farts they were
monza red with a black vinyl roof, v8, loved it

love it could just imagine the looks of disgust you would have been getting..

i dropped a rover v8 into a victor estate and there were a few local old boys with there old vauxhall s used to stop and talk to me about was surprised they thought it was alright even though id done the v8 conversion