fuel prices

[_Jay_]

no it won't

No?

Have a look at your next fuel receipt, Vat is the final calculation, so you pay VAT on the "duty" you've already paid !!!!

It's a joke how they actually tax us on what we are mainly paying in tax in the first place!

[Barx325i]

The trick is claiming it back ;)

[StuBeeDoo]

I only started driving in 2006 and I remember it being 80p a litre or so

Are you sure??
The protests in the summer of 2000 were because it hit 80p/ltr. After those protests got nowhere, the prices hovered around 83-86 for a few years and we all lived with it. By '05 over 90p was normal and at the end of that year it was a given that the £1 barrier would be breached in '07. Sure enough, it was.

How do I remember all this? Sometime around late '05 I figured that once we got to £1 my touring would have to go unless I could do something about it reducing my fuel bills. Then I learned how that DIY-ing LPG was not rocket science. I managed to get the LPG up-and-running just as we got to £1. At that time my local was still selling LPG at 39.9p.

[Jim320i]

Pretty sure... I remember working in Cambridge at the time and filling up at the same place for 83.9 I think it was...

[StuBeeDoo]

It's a joke how they actually tax us on what we are mainly paying in tax in the first place!

What is needed in this case is someone with loads of money to mount a legal challenge in the High Court against the government taxing a tax.

In theory we should only pay VAT on the retail price of the fuel before the duty gets added. Currently that would reduce the price of fuel by approx. 10p/ltr.

[StuBeeDoo]

Pretty sure... I remember working in Cambridge at the time and filling up at the same place for 83.9 I think it was...

I got some of my info from here

[StuBeeDoo]

In theory we should only pay VAT on the retail price of the fuel before the duty gets added. Currently that would reduce the price of fuel by approx. 10p/ltr.

Interestingly, it was only after I made that post that I read this on the petrolprices.com website.......

British drivers pay two taxes on petrol they buy at the pump and fuel campaigners complain about the fact that VAT is charged on the cost of fuel and the duty and feel it should only be calculated on the cost of the fuel for a fairer petrol price.

[Barx325i]

Like import duty, you pay duty on the cost of carriage as well as your item

[brown29]

I only started driving in 2006 and I remember it being 80p a litre or so

Are you sure??
The protests in the summer of 2000 were because it hit 80p/ltr. After those protests got nowhere, the prices hovered around 83-86 for a few years and we all lived with it. By '05 over 90p was normal and at the end of that year it was a given that the £1 barrier would be breached in '07. Sure enough, it was.

How do I remember all this? Sometime around late '05 I figured that once we got to £1 my touring would have to go unless I could do something about it reducing my fuel bills. Then I learned how that DIY-ing LPG was not rocket science. I managed to get the LPG up-and-running just as we got to £1. At that time my local was still selling LPG at 39.9p.

What do you have to do for the converstion and is this expensive?

Saying that though, LPG has gone up 60% in the last year...

Am fucking sick of all this shit... It's all done to greed... If the goverment hadn't had let these bankers run riot and taken us to war which we have to pay for then we wouldn't have to pay all this duty...

Makes me sick

[tonybtonyb]

It seem to me that the fuel prices go up every week!With No word from anybody! Someone needs to put a cap on the fuel or prices to be fair fuel should only go up every quarter or once every six months or monthly but i can't see this happening not unless the government step in and the chances of that are pretty slim you will have a better chance seeing a fuel flying fat cat so watch out!So when the V.A.T goes up in Jan we need to find even more money just to get to work and for WHAT!

[brown29]

Pretty sure... I remember working in Cambridge at the time and filling up at the same place for 83.9 I think it was...

I got some of my info from here

This says it all,

"If supplies are kept low and an event which may cause problems with exporting oil from that area occurs then prices inevitably rise."

Then it is in the intrest for these companys to keeps supplys low, then when something happens (war, floor or what ever) they can price up the fuel how they want...

This is capitalism.

[Jim320i]

Well... This is where i'm starting... Anyone else fancy filling out the form?


https://secure.consumerdirect.gov.uk/reportascam.aspx

[brown29]

I really don't understand why more people around the UK aren't talking about this... the prices are alot higher than when they had the protests back in 2000 and nothing.

There's not even a petition you can sign that is uptodate online.

Makes me wonder with all these student protests that are going on it's the perfect diverstion...

[Jim320i]

Makes me wonder with all these student protests that are going on it's the perfect diverstion...

Bloody good point... Make students kick up a fuss and slowly raise the price of fuel in the background to get little media coverage...

[tonybtonyb]

We need to get all petrol heads and park up in London like the bikers did!

[DanThe]

People dont bother anymore because they made it illegal to blockade anything after the protests in 2000, if you cant blockade anything your not going to be seen or heard and wont have any impact on anything.
I expect people that think about protesting/blockading dont think its worth a few weeks in prison as they have family/jobs to keep.
This is where students should step in

[Cypriotgeeza]

We need to get all petrol heads and park up in London like the bikers did!

Im in!!...It would look cool seeing alot of E30's leading the way..seeing as we are the ones using up most of the fuel..

[Jim320i]

When you say blockade? Do you mean a full stand still? What if we rolled around slowly? There isnt a minimum limit is there?

[Gortour]

No, no minimum limit, but you have to buy fuel in order to keep moving slowly...

Defeats the object slightly in my opinion.

[DanThe]

No, no minimum limit, but you have to buy fuel in order to keep moving slowly...

Defeats the object slightly in my opinion.

That sounds a bit eco warrior like

[Jim320i]

No, no minimum limit, but you have to buy fuel in order to keep moving slowly...

Defeats the object slightly in my opinion.

Yeah but its the impact of slowing everything down... Its not the cost in our pockets on the day... There is an old saying, but I cant remember it.... Something to do with losses to gain something.


The point in, business would slow down and it would distrupt alot of normal business and get media attention, which in turn would generate more help from others also interested in lowing the price of fuel... *Insert old chinese proverb about here*

[StuBeeDoo]

Saying that though, LPG has gone up 60% in the last year...

Around here, it's only gone up that much in the last three and a half years. This time last year I was paying 54.9p - the 64.9p I'm paying now is a bit under 20% more. OK, it's still too large an increase to stomach, but it's not 60%.

At the end of the day...........

LPG is still 52.5% the cost of petrol.

[TouringMatt]

Noticed how a lot of garage's creep the prices up at the weekend, local one to me was 116.9 on Monday afternoon, had crept up to 117.9 on Thursday and as i guessed, it was up at 118.9 on Friday.

Really gets up my feckin nose, most people are like sheep and dont even seem to notice or even care what they are paying.

Like others, i think i'll have to take a look at an LPG conversion, either that or a big feck off sail sticking out the sunroof

[brown29]

Saying that though, LPG has gone up 60% in the last year...

Around here, it's only gone up that much in the last three and a half years. This time last year I was paying 54.9p - the 64.9p I'm paying now is a bit under 20% more. OK, it's still too large an increase to stomach, but it's not 60%.

At the end of the day...........

LPG is still 52.5% the cost of petrol.

I stand corrected on that one

Was the converstion expensive to do?

I think in the future more and more people will look to be converstions of some types. I mean you think the E30 sports just won't be economically viable in the future.

Am talking 10 years or so but there won't be many people left who will be be able to afford to run them. And that goes for other cars too.

I think the government's strategy (and it's all ready started) is too out price people off the road.

You think, it's the only solution to every more people on the roads today...

Do people ever travel on the m62?? Whats the point of it, half of the time your just stood still.

There too many folk on the roads these days.

[Kemix]

My local garage was 122.9 on wed 123.9 on thursday and 124.9 friday! Was expecting a 125.9 today but thank god, its not!

[brown29]

I know, it's getting bad out there...

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/2049435

[gareth]

I love the way even those of us on LPG are moaning about fuel prices!

However, moan i will! My local LPG supplier went from 71.9p/l to 77.9p/l while i was away for a week! That's hardly fair now is it!!!!!

[brown29]

I love the way even those of us on LPG are moaning about fuel prices!

However, moan i will! My local LPG supplier went from 71.9p/l to 77.9p/l while i was away for a week! That's hardly fair now is it!!!!!

You should moan about it though... your bloody right, it's hardly fair...

especially when these companys are making record profits.

What do you drive?

[gareth]

E30 Touring with a 3.5 M30

Annoyingly there's nowhere else close enough for me to practically fill up! I only have a small LPG tank, the second closest place is 20 miles away and i can only do about 120 miles on an average tank!

[_Jay_]

I went past a Shell garage on Wednesday near Ruislip, and was shocked to see the price on the board outside. Said petrol was 8678.9p a litre and that diesel was 4644.9p a litre. At first I thought I was just seeing things but my mate said he saw it as well. Would have got a picture but was running late lol.

Round my neck of the woods the cheapest I can find it is 118.9p a litre. Not good when I need to do a 60 mile round trip every day for work.

And as for a blockade, as far as im aware thats only true if your in a car or truck etc. Doesnt count if we decided to jsut turn up and stand in the road shouting angrily in the middle of Westminster. Should get some peoples attention that way. And that way it would actually bring things to a complete standstill.

[Gortour]

Needs enough people to be worthwhile though, too many in this country are too complacent.
Noone is gonna care about a hundred or so people, we need a million or so...

Up the Revolution

[StuBeeDoo]

No-one is gonna care about a hundred or so people, we need a million or so...

IMHO Gordon, for our wonderful Government to take any notice you'd probably need at least 10x that.

[brown29]

No-one is gonna care about a hundred or so people, we need a million or so...

IMHO Gordon, for our wonderful Government to take any notice you'd probably need at least 10x that.

oh I don't know mate, look at these students... there's not 10 mil of them and the government has deffo taken notice

[DanThe]

There are 35 million cars on the road, surely a million drivers who want cheaper fuel can be got together to storm Westminster

[Gortour]

You get them off their fat arses then...

and as far as the students go, yes they were noticed, but the b'stards in Government still passed their price increases.

And our fuel prices are set by the fatcats in Brussels, not Westminster, thanks to the Government handing everything your forefathers fought for in WWs 1 and 2 over anyway.