rusty wheel arches

[marianogodoy]

Hello Guys,

Got the rear wheel arches completely rusty.. they are quoting me £350 each!! feels like a lot of money... maybe worth doing a complete respray? any ideas of how much that would cost, and a recommendation of somebody in London?

cheers

M

[andy1200]

They are ripping you off silly, 350 pounds per each arch is a disgrace. It should be no more than 80 to 150 per arch max. Get quotes from a few other resprayers first before you get the arches done.

[nickso]

They are ripping you off silly, 350 pounds per each arch is a disgrace. It should be no more than 80 to 150 per arch max. Get quotes from a few other resprayers first before you get the arches done.

you say that without even seeing it. "completely rusty" sounds pretty bad to me.

[andy1200]

They are ripping you off silly, 350 pounds per each arch is a disgrace. It should be no more than 80 to 150 per arch max. Get quotes from a few other resprayers first before you get the arches done.

you say that without even seeing it. "completely rusty" sounds pretty bad to me.

I got all four of my rusty wheel arches done a short while back for 250 pounds. YES 'COMPLETELY RUSTY'.

[marianogodoy]

i'll post some pics/

[beardymat]

They are ripping you off silly, 350 pounds per each arch is a disgrace. It should be no more than 80 to 150 per arch max. Get quotes from a few other resprayers first before you get the arches done.

you say that without even seeing it. "completely rusty" sounds pretty bad to me.

I got all four of my rusty wheel arches done a short while back for 250 pounds. YES 'COMPLETELY RUSTY'.

what did they do to your arches for £250?

the paint materials alone for reasonable quality items would be around £100 and then there is the labour involved in sorting out the rust properly which at £20 an hour which you would expect to pay a low skilled bodyshop would give 7.5 hours which is not even a full days work!

that doesnt allow for removing the rusted metal and replacing with new which is the only way to stop it coming back.

£350 each is a fair price to pay if they will repair your arches to the standard i did mine and thats the only way to do them if you want them to stay looking good.

[andy1200]

you say that without even seeing it. "completely rusty" sounds pretty bad to me.

I got all four of my rusty wheel arches done a short while back for 250 pounds. YES 'COMPLETELY RUSTY'.

what did they do to your arches for £250?

the paint materials alone for reasonable quality items would be around £100 and then there is the labour involved in sorting out the rust properly which at £20 an hour which you would expect to pay a low skilled bodyshop would give 7.5 hours which is not even a full days work!

that doesnt allow for removing the rusted metal and replacing with new which is the only way to stop it coming back.

£350 each is a fair price to pay if they will repair your arches to the standard i did mine and thats the only way to do them if you want them to stay looking good.

Thats fine you keep telling yourself that, If you are one of those people who likes get ripped of and paying 350 pounds PER ARCH thats fine by me.

These resprayers look for people like you, quite frankly I think you both deserve each other.

If you like paying over the odds when you go to your resprayer good luck to you. 350 per arch is not a fair price in any way possible.
But I am not like you and I get work done for the best price not any price that my resprayer gives me.

marianogodoy do your homework by getting quotes and get the best price possible.

[Baz666]

i just had two rear arches done and a front sgutal panal, battery tray and 16 holes welded up on my cabby for £300.

[SUMPCRACKER]

It normally costs about £200 per side to put new arches in,the main problem being the paint match.

[SUMPCRACKER]

Plus VAT.

[beardymat]

I got all four of my rusty wheel arches done a short while back for 250 pounds. YES 'COMPLETELY RUSTY'.

what did they do to your arches for £250?

the paint materials alone for reasonable quality items would be around £100 and then there is the labour involved in sorting out the rust properly which at £20 an hour which you would expect to pay a low skilled bodyshop would give 7.5 hours which is not even a full days work!

that doesnt allow for removing the rusted metal and replacing with new which is the only way to stop it coming back.

£350 each is a fair price to pay if they will repair your arches to the standard i did mine and thats the only way to do them if you want them to stay looking good.

Thats fine you keep telling yourself that, If you are one of those people who likes get ripped of and paying 350 pounds PER ARCH thats fine by me.

These resprayers look for people like you, quite frankly I think you both deserve each other.

If you like paying over the odds when you go to your resprayer good luck to you. 350 per arch is not a fair price in any way possible.
But I am not like you and I get work done for the best price not any price that my resprayer gives me.

marianogodoy do your homework by getting quotes and get the best price possible.

sorry andy but i wont be paying £350 per arch or even £250 for all four for two reasons :-

1. i have allready done them to a standard where they wont rust for a long long time

2. i am a panel beater and own my own bodyshop.

the best price does not mean the best job, quite possibly the opposite in fact. i would love to look over your arch repairs and give you the opinion of an award winning panel beater (seriously, i have two!). have a look through my restoration thread to see how rust repairs shoul be tackled, theres a link in my sig.

[andy1200]

Well if you own your own bodyshop, then how could you say in the first place that 350 pounds per arch is fair. You do not pay any resprayer then how did you come to that conclusion of yours.

I know that price does not always guarantee what sort of job is done, but my arches were done by a reputable resparayer who did a very good job and all the four arches where done to a very high standard for 250 pounds.

[andy1200]

You have your own bodyshop therefore you are talking from the resprayers point of view (i.e charge as much as you can) and not from the point of view of the people who get the cars resprayed hence why you think '350 pounds per arch is fair'.

[beardymat]

Well if you own your own bodyshop, then how could you say in the first place that 350 pounds per arch is fair. You do not pay any resprayer then how did you come to that conclusion of yours.

I know that price does not always guarantee what sort of job is done, but my arches were done by a reputable resparayer who did a very good job and all the four arches where done to a very high standard for 250 pounds.

in answer to your first question, i have to estimate costs for repairs to cars so that the customer pays a fair price for the work done to the car and so that my bodyshop doesnt go bust for the sake of doing people cheap jobs.

as for your second point, what exactly was done for £250? that might just about cover a quick blow over of the arches but not extensively removing rust, you could just weld new arches over the top ( new rear arch panels are £30 + vat a side by the way) but that will only keep it back in the short term and is not what i would consider a quality job.

trust me on this, i know better than you how much it should cost to get a PROPER job done

[andy1200]

Well if you own your own bodyshop, then how could you say in the first place that 350 pounds per arch is fair. You do not pay any resprayer then how did you come to that conclusion of yours.

I know that price does not always guarantee what sort of job is done, but my arches were done by a reputable resparayer who did a very good job and all the four arches where done to a very high standard for 250 pounds.

in answer to your first question, i have to estimate costs for repairs to cars so that the customer pays a fair price for the work done to the car and so that my bodyshop doesnt go bust for the sake of doing people cheap jobs.

as for your second point, what exactly was done for £250? that might just about cover a quick blow over of the arches but not extensively removing rust, you could just weld new arches over the top ( new rear arch panels are £30 + vat a side by the way) but that will only keep it back in the short term and is not what i would consider a quality job.

trust me on this, i know better than you how much it should cost to get a PROPER job done

You have your own bodyshop therefore you are talking from the resprayers point of view (i.e charge as much as you can) and not from the point of view of the people who get the cars resprayed hence why you think '350 pounds per arch is fair'.

Answer to your second response, My arches were not just blowed over they where fully sanded down and all the rust was taken off for your kind information.

Lastly, I do not care if you know more about respraying arches than me, you are a resprayer I'm not fact (I never said I was) I just believe in paying a fair rate to get good work done without getting ripped of by people who think that just because you are not a resprayer they can mug people.

Your idea of a proper job is the same as mine except you add a few more hundreds to mine. As I said earlier you are talking from a resprayers point of view and I am talking from a customers point of view.

[beardymat]

you are deluded and have no idea of what it actually costs to run a proffesional bodyshop. i am not here to mug people and have done jobs for quite a few very satisfied people on this forum. i also believe what you think is a proper job is far from what i would call it and i would be happy to look over the job done on your car to confirm that.

please note that i am not a resprayer, i am a panel beater and i run a bodyshop but i do employ paint refinishers.

are you a troll by any chance?

[Cloud]

Goodbye, best part of £1000?

[pacerpete]

Jeez Cloud, you love a sad rusty sh1tter don't you ?

[Cloud]

Jeez Cloud, you love a sad rusty sh1tter don't you ?

I've never seen welding as a problem through my childhood, you see. My dad used to do that kind of thing for a living; he could keep a car alive for years, grind it out, patch it up for the MOT, and it'd be good for another two or three years. I honestly don't see why a car that's good mechanically has to be scrapped for the sake of a few hours ironwork. I'm having them arches sorted by a proper professional bodyshop though.

[clarko74]

As has already said it all depends on the extent of the work you have done, without photos it's difficult to know but if your arches are 'completely rusty', you may well need new inner and outer rear arches. The cost of a pair of inners (from BMW) and a pair of outers (pattern) comes to around £200 and that's without any labour at all.

My arches are just starting to rust under the lip and I'm currently getting prices to sort them before it gets any worse, the one bodyshop I've been to so far has said that they will cut out the rusty lip, weld a new bit of a pattern arch in and paint it for £150 a side. I think this a pretty good price. If I needed the inner arches doing too I can quite easily see the price rising to £300-350 a side.



I don't know beardymat but I have read his restoration thread, seeing the quality of the work he does if lived closed I'd be straight over there to have him do my arches.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for...

[capri_rob]

[quote="andy1200].

My arches were not just blowed over they where fully sanded down and all the rust was taken off for your kind information.

.[/quote]

Fully sanded down and all the rust taken off ???!!!

They might look alright for a few weeks after first being painted but that rust will soon be back - the only way to do it properly is to cut the rust out and start again with new arches.

I'd pay £350 per arch for a full cut out/good quality panel replacement and then quality paint job - price sounds about right to me.

[Cloud]

I'd pay £350 per arch for a full cut out/good quality panel replacement and then quality paint job - price sounds about right to me.

Thanks.
If I'd gone to get a quote for my arches, and they said £350 a side, I'd probably tell them to eff off. Now I know that's the going rate for them, I'll save up a bit longer and try not to think about the bank account damage.

[capri_rob]

Beardymat summed it up perfectly in post 6 - when you factor in several hours of professional labour, plus decent paint and parts £350 is about right.

Any numpty can rub down a panel to bare metal and then get a cheapo spray job, but if you're talking about cutting out sections of bodywork and welding in new panels, then a proper spray job on top its a whole different ball game - especially if you want it so it looks factory.

[skipunda]

Beardymat summed it up perfectly in post 6 - when you factor in several hours of professional labour, plus decent paint and parts £350 is about right.

Any numpty can rub down a panel to bare metal and then get a cheapo spray job, but if you're talking about cutting out sections of bodywork and welding in new panels, then a proper spray job on top its a whole different ball game - especially if you want it so it looks factory.

well said

[josh-hocking]

I got all four of my rusty wheel arches done a short while back for 250 pounds. YES 'COMPLETELY RUSTY'.

what did they do to your arches for £250?

the paint materials alone for reasonable quality items would be around £100 and then there is the labour involved in sorting out the rust properly which at £20 an hour which you would expect to pay a low skilled bodyshop would give 7.5 hours which is not even a full days work!

that doesnt allow for removing the rusted metal and replacing with new which is the only way to stop it coming back.

£350 each is a fair price to pay if they will repair your arches to the standard i did mine and thats the only way to do them if you want them to stay looking good.

Thats fine you keep telling yourself that, If you are one of those people who likes get ripped of and paying 350 pounds PER ARCH thats fine by me.

These resprayers look for people like you, quite frankly I think you both deserve each other.

If you like paying over the odds when you go to your resprayer good luck to you. 350 per arch is not a fair price in any way possible.
But I am not like you and I get work done for the best price not any price that my resprayer gives me.

marianogodoy do your homework by getting quotes and get the best price possible.

DICK HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously get a life!! Beardymatt has one of the nicest sports out there!! look at the quality of his work before you slag his prices of.

[gooner1]

Beardymat summed it up perfectly in post 6 - when you factor in several hours of professional labour, plus decent paint and parts £350 is about right.

Any numpty can rub down a panel to bare metal and then get a cheapo spray job, but if you're talking about cutting out sections of bodywork and welding in new panels, then a proper spray job on top its a whole different ball game - especially if you want it so it looks factory.

Which is exactly why my drivers side rear arch needs re-doing after a
P/O did,nt get the jobe done correctly.

[andy1200]

what did they do to your arches for £250?

the paint materials alone for reasonable quality items would be around £100 and then there is the labour involved in sorting out the rust properly which at £20 an hour which you would expect to pay a low skilled bodyshop would give 7.5 hours which is not even a full days work!

that doesnt allow for removing the rusted metal and replacing with new which is the only way to stop it coming back.

£350 each is a fair price to pay if they will repair your arches to the standard i did mine and thats the only way to do them if you want them to stay looking good.

Thats fine you keep telling yourself that, If you are one of those people who likes get ripped of and paying 350 pounds PER ARCH thats fine by me.

These resprayers look for people like you, quite frankly I think you both deserve each other.

If you like paying over the odds when you go to your resprayer good luck to you. 350 per arch is not a fair price in any way possible.
But I am not like you and I get work done for the best price not any price that my resprayer gives me.

marianogodoy do your homework by getting quotes and get the best price possible.

DICK HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously get a life!! Beardymatt has one of the nicest sports out there!! look at the quality of his work before you slag his prices of.

Your the f*ckin DICKHEAD YOU DOUGHNUT read the thread from the start to the end before you post your comment.
How was I slagging of the work he does, Marianogodoy asked for opinions and recommendations on what are good prices on getting arches done. He said he got quoted 350 per arch, I said that is quite a bit. Beardymatt joined in the discussion and started saying that the 350 per arch that Marianogodoy was quoted from one of marianogodoy's local bodyshop was a good and very fair price. I disagreed
It had nothing to do with how Beardymatt does his panel beating,
Beardymatt was never going to do Marianogodoy's arches, so how was I slagging of how he does his work.

[adit]

popcorn, popcorn!! is it friday night?

[beardymat]

what i actually said was that if they did them to my standards then £350 would be fair, that would mean cutting out of all corroded metal on the inner and outer arches and replacing with new, new arch lip folded back on the rear half as per factory (on facelift cars only), fresh sealer applied, stoneguard applied to the wheel arch lip as per factory, stripping of all removeable trim items, refinishing of paint with the latest compliant materials, re-apply wax oil treatment and finally re-fit trim items.

it is certainly possible to get the arches replaced cheaper but i seriously doubt that they would be done as described above, i have seen so many replacement arches just fitted over the top of the old rusty ones which only leads to more rust. on the other hand if there is only small localised patches of rust on the arch lip then these small patches can be dealt with in a less costly fashion but you must still remove the rusted metal or you will just be wasting everyones time and the customers money.

it may seem silly to have your car repaired with someone who charges more but you are not trying to buy a specific product cheaper like say an xbox where you will get the exact same product, the end product will probably be better with the higher priced bodyshop and the saying "you get what you pay for" really does apply here. i have had a few people take a step backwards when i have quoted them for repairs and they have had work done elsewhere but when our paths have crossed again they usually end up admitting they should have gone with my shop as they are not happy with what has been done and on a few ocasions i have put work right that has been done by other shops.

if you are happy with the job you get for whatever price you pay and it lasts as long as you expected it to then consider it mission accomplished.

[Bewdley320T]

She doesn't say what E30 it is or the condition of the rest of it. I agree with everything Beardymat said but you also have to look at the viability of it, @ £350 per arch unless its a bit special its not worth it.

[oldroydsr4]

Having been involved in preping paint and bodywork for spraying (on my own car), the time involved to do a proper job is huge.

If you do a job properly you do it once and at £250 for all 4 arches its not going to be a proper job.

£350 per arch sounds fair considering the work involved

[B7]

There is no way you can get 4 arches properly sorted for £250. But then we don't know how bad is was in the first placr. If the fronts had gone then chances are the rears were well f*cked. In any case, I never see the point of sorting the front arches out. If a front arch is rotton then have the wings off, throw them away, sort out any scabbyness in the inners (and there WILL be some) and put new wings on.

As has been said, 350 quid is more than a fair price to cut out the rot, sort the inners out (I've not seen one yet where if you need to cut the outers away to good metal, it hasn't taken the inners with them), weld replacement panels in, blend and refinish. Put it like that and you start to see the work involved. Arch repair panels are probably what? £60 a side. Then as Matt has said the paint and sundries must come to £100 then labour at say £40 an hour (£20 matt? jesus you're cheap ) with probably 3 days work at a push? You are over the magic grand. So £700 seems a fair price for 2 arches to me!

Which is why so many are now getting fragged!

[dave525]

ive met matt and seen his work in the flesh.its as good as new as youll get.he takes the time to do it right.saying hes one of the "charge as much as you can" mob is pretty insulting i think.i would have him do my work no problem.yes you,ll get cheaper but as good?dont think so.its a shame these days that the motor trade is as it is.its impossible to charge a rate comensurate with the work carried out if you are a small business like matts.his work is much better than work ive seen done by large commercial shops.they charge a lot more.the repair you have done might look great but have they cut out ALL the rust?thats when it will come back.rust repairs are a loser for any professional if done properly cos of the time it takes. ps i have no affiliation with matt or his shop so this is just my opinion.also if you look at how much repairs cost compared to the value of your car its financially mad anyway.thats not why we do it though is it.

[Jon_Bmw]

4 arches for £250, I wouldn't even do that in fibreglass, let alone metal.

[e30bmlover]

You have your own bodyshop therefore you are talking from the resprayers point of view (i.e charge as much as you can) and not from the point of view of the people who get the cars resprayed hence why you think '350 pounds per arch is fair'.

Answer to your second response, My arches were not just blowed over they where fully sanded down and all the rust was taken off for your kind information.

Lastly, I do not care if you know more about respraying arches than me, you are a resprayer I'm not fact (I never said I was) I just believe in paying a fair rate to get good work done without getting ripped of by people who think that just because you are not a resprayer they can mug people.

Your idea of a proper job is the same as mine except you add a few more hundreds to mine. As I said earlier you are talking from a resprayers point of view and I am talking from a customers point of view.

mate... its like everything.. you pay for what you get.. matt's work defines the word quality.. if you feel that his price is mugging you off so to speak then get the work done else where, no doubt your bodyshop of choice will have a art degree in p40... so good luck when the rust appears again in a years time.
matt is only commenting because he is a bodyshop owner and trying to give you a price that is realistic.. £350 a side is a good price and you will have the satisfaction that the work will be done to a very high standard... with NO P40!
i can see what type of person you are by your post.. you want something for nothing.. well sorry son looks like you are going to learn this lesson the hard way.