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Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:58 pm

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bottlecapE30 wrote:I don't know about you guys in the uk but I had an air bag on my 1991 325i, and my 1989 325xi. It was a four spoke wheel.

I was rear ended in the 325i and the air bag never went off. I'm sure if you wanted the parts for it they would be easy to find here in the states. the problem would be making it fit on the RHD set up, or maybe it might just drop in.

Personaly i like the helmet idea.
It wouldn't go off if you are rear ended, the sencers even in modern cars are at the front, in the event of a rear end collision our head would be thrown back which should be cushioned b the properly adjusted head rest.

When you hit something in frint your head is thrown forwards, due to the sudden deceleration of the car, Newton's First law! An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force, the car decelerates in the accident, and your head continues at the speed of the vehicle until your neck has a chance to oppose the force. The air bag protects your head from smacking the steering wheel.
I understand that but after i was rear ended i was pushed into a tree on the side of the road and hit the front stright on the sensor. My point was that an old air bag install is most likely not worth the time.
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:02 pm

Fair enough but thats not how I read it when you said you were rear ended, and I completely agree with your point, if you check the first page of this thread I say something very very similar anyway.

Chances are the frontal impact wasn't severe enough for the airbag to deploy, alternativly it was and your air bag system is knackered, I'd be having any airbag over 10years replaced (or removed if not possible) anyway chances are if it goes off it will fail in some fashion anyway.
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:52 pm

nice compact ,

i ride bikes everyday as im a bike mechanic but even in my old e30 i feel alot safer , not sure how good the airbag systems are , sure they probably saved thousands of lives but my dad was hit head on in an astra van and the airbag did not go off,
kinda backs up the theory that they need replacing as the charge fails after a while
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:42 pm

i like the helmet idea, but make it white and get a white race suit, and you can be the stig. lol :D
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Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:21 pm

There is an Airbag Wheel on German Ebay at the moment - not sure if I would rely on it for safety though (prefer the helmet option!) and it looks crap so i'll stick with my SE wheel

http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINALES-BMW-E30-A ... dZViewItem
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Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:35 pm

Did anyone see the piece on tv recently? (think it was on 5th gear) where they had a head on corner to corner crash test between a Renault Modus and an old Volvo (with a longitudinal engine installation - same as an e30 )
Big old motors are nowhere near as safe as most people might think...

Found it on Youpube
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Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:39 pm

Sorry had to reply to this 1,


Dont know why but im slightly disapointed by the "How seriously is your vehicle likely to harm another road user?" = "Less harm than average"

Sorry im drinking please ignore me <<<.

Depends how fast you are going when you hit them though really huh?

Just kidding btw LOL
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Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:51 pm

Have to go with the maority on this 1, if you want airbags go for a later 3 series that has them already why go to all the trouble of fitting a retro airbag and it going off while traveling nice and safely down the motorway at 70 mph, yes it happens more than you would believe and not just on older motors.
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Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:57 pm

march109 , so that is where BMW got the idea for the compact then.
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Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:36 pm

I found this on another forum...

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After you installed all the seperate elements that make up the air bag system how would you test it?
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:34 am

Daddycoolest wrote:Sorry had to reply to this 1,


Dont know why but im slightly disapointed by the "How seriously is your vehicle likely to harm another road user?" = "Less harm than average"

Sorry im drinking please ignore me <<<.

Depends how fast you are going when you hit them though really huh?

Just kidding btw LOL
as long as it harms them more than it harms me thats all im hoping for.
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:02 pm

As with many car safety features like airbags, impact protection, collapsable pedals and leavers ONLY works if the driver is seated properly and such systems are designed with a particular seating position and distance away from various controls.

Alot of women and short men drive with thier nose up against the windscreen which is the worst way to drive, even a slow speed accident they headbutt the screen and thier ankles, knees and waist are crushed not to mention punctured tits :cry:

The other extreme is driving really laid back arms at full length pimped out, may be cool but loose visability and increase your blind spots and in an accident more likely to suffer whiplash and go under the seatbelt again crushing lower part of your body and carpet like burns all up your chest unless you have anti-submarine bucket seats then you burst your bladder and die in your own wee.
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:20 pm

march109 wrote:my personal opinion that airbags arn't as important as manufacturers today make them out to be.
x2.

My wife runs an '06 model Honda Jazz. As you would expect, it has all the "safety" equipment as standard. About 8 airbags, IIRC.
In spite of all that, I'd still rather be in the E30 in an accident. If ever we go on a long journey, the Jazz stays at home. I actually feel safer in the E30.
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:24 pm

StuBeeDoo wrote:
march109 wrote:my personal opinion that airbags arn't as important as manufacturers today make them out to be.
x2.

My wife runs an '06 model Honda Jazz. As you would expect, it has all the "safety" equipment as standard. About 8 airbags, IIRC.
In spite of all that, I'd still rather be in the E30 in an accident. If ever we go on a long journey, the Jazz stays at home. I actually feel safer in the E30.
8O :?

You sure? If I had to crash in something, it would not be an e30.
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:12 pm

Neither would I want to crash in an e30. Wouldn't want to send another never-to-be-built-again car to ruins.

FYI, the Honda Jazz is called the Honda Fit in America. And they have horrid flappy paddle things...and much more. Makes a good disposable car though
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:08 pm

The Jazz is as flimsy as hell. :mad: It's all plastic held together with clips and the bits that are steel are as flimsy as f***. OK so you could argue that it's got 4-star NCAP, but that doesn't mean Jack anyway. It's nowhere near what I would call a "solid" car.
In anything more than a light-moderate shunt, I wouldn't fancy anyone's chances in it. :(
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:13 pm

StuBeeDoo wrote:it's got 4-star NCAP
Unfortunately, Wor Lass is one of the poor souls who are taken-in by this shit. She's now decided that her next car has got to be 5-star or she won't even consider it. :mad: :mad:
That narrows her options down to about 5 cars (taking all her other "must haves" into consideration) and I can guarantee she won't really like any of them. :roll:
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:22 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote:If I had to crash in something, it would not be an e30.
IMHO it's the difference between a car that was designed to be built and a car that was designed to be assembled by robots (and very quickly at that...).
There's probably the same weight of nuts and bolts in the E30 as there is "active safety equipment" in the Jazz. From what I've seen of the Jazz, there are no bolted fixings where Mr. Honda thought a moulded plastic clip would suffice.
It certainly doesn't inspire a feeling of security in me.
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:36 pm

If a car does not crumple, where do you think the shock goes?

Watching the vectra vxr hit a wall at 90mph was interesting in the touring cars today. A mixture of crumple ability combined with an ultra strong passenger compartment allowed the driver to walk away. A Jazz is never going to be as good as a caged BTCC car, but its miles ahead over an e30 i'm sorry to say.
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:43 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote:A Jazz is never going to be as good as a caged BTCC car, but its miles ahead over an e30 i'm sorry to say.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. :D
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:46 pm

Agreed :D
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:48 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote:Agreed :D
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This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:53 pm

You have seen the Fifth Gear demonstration of what happens when a 'built', 'solid', old Volvo says hello to the 'flimsy' little Renault that was 'assembled by robots':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86M_fV-1yKY
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Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:04 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote: . A Jazz is never going to be as good as a caged BTCC car, but its miles ahead over an e30 i'm sorry to say.
Just means if I have a survivable accident in my E30 the next will have a surviable cage in it. :twisted:
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:02 am

As far as I know for UK no e30 had any form of late generation airbag safety gear at all. However the column is/was designed to collapse and shear away from the lower dash where it is mounted via those bolts.
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:23 am

Dr fly, you seem possesed with the idea of putting a 330d engine into your e30, now you want all the safety features of amodern BMW

An e30 will always be what it is, a 30 year old car which is now becoming a "hobby" car for most people. I'm all for modifactions and improvements but what are you actually wanting from it and hoping to achive? Upgrade it, use it and cherish it for what it is. Buy a 330d, thats an every day car which will give all you want apart form the "looks" and "feel" of the e30, but that is what makes the e30 unique and you can keep it as a "toy" on which you can improve on with the various upgrades available and enjoy it.
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e30m3s50b32 wrote:Dr fly, you seem possesed with the idea of putting a 330d engine into your e30, now you want all the safety features of amodern BMW

An e30 will always be what it is, a 30 year old car which is now becoming a "hobby" car for most people. I'm all for modifactions and improvements but what are you actually wanting from it and hoping to achive? Upgrade it, use it and cherish it for what it is. Buy a 330d, thats an every day car which will give all you want apart form the "looks" and "feel" of the e30, but that is what makes the e30 unique and you can keep it as a "toy" on which you can improve on with the various upgrades available and enjoy it.
Wow who brought this thread back up? Quite an old one! I think it was a passing thought when I'd just seen my first RTAs when observing the paramedics. Not so bothered about it now, I've seen that in pretty much any well built car a sub-50mph crash is survivable, and then things start getting worse above that.

Talking with a paramedic yesterday and was told an interesting story about an E30 travelling at 50mph that hit head on another car going at 65ish. So combined speed of 115mph when they hit. Driver's of both cars were fine, though the E30 driver had a little damage to her foot. Aside from that there was no intrusion to the passenger compartment at all.

As regards my car, I'll do what I want with it. One of the reasons I love it is that as a 4-dr 320i I can do anything to it and no-one cares! Don't think I'll be messing about retrofitting airbags though, was just a passing thought from months ago.
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:46 pm

Do any E30s have side impact bars in the doors?
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:41 pm

Retro fitting an E46 steering collunm and airbag system would be a waste of time and money. A good idea in theory but even that system doesnt always go off just like many other manufactures cars in front impacts.
After doing two years as a body fitter in a large aciddent repair centre you kinda get to see whats stong and whats not, ask any good panel beater and they'll agree.

Safety restraint systems regardless of age and condition do not always deploy.

This was my friends 99 V reg E46 328i coupe after a front imact @ about 40 mph into a tree, none of the air bags or seat belt pre-tensioners were deployed and as you can see the damage was quite bad, bad enough to need both chassis rails replacing!

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Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:59 pm

Dr Firefly wrote:As regards my car, I'll do what I want with it. One of the reasons I love it is that as a 4-dr 320i I can do anything to it and no-one cares! Don't think I'll be messing about retrofitting airbags though, was just a passing thought from months ago.
You just keep on fitting that 330D motor in there! I want to know all the details of how you do it!
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:46 pm

Its a pretty interesting topic. but il take an average on the "How much is your vehicle likely to protect you?" my other car is a mk2 golf which this site rates as "Significantly worse than average" here is quite a concerning video i found last time i wondered about its safety. http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seit ... _video.mpg
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maxfield wrote:The steering column has something in it, so that it won't be directed at you.

I learned it at college but can't remember the name of it.
You might be thinking of Timoshenko beam/girders which is the fancy name for shear deflection and crumple zones.
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leisky wrote:Its a pretty interesting topic. but il take an average on the "How much is your vehicle likely to protect you?" my other car is a mk2 golf which this site rates as "Significantly worse than average" here is quite a concerning video i found last time i wondered about its safety. http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seit ... _video.mpg
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